Posted February 23, 2014

Johnny Manziel tops first QB group with impressive 40 time (GIF)

2014 Scouting Combine, NFL draft 2014
Johnny Manziel measured in just shy of 6-feet tall this weekend, but he showed off his speed. (Michael Conroy, AP)

Johnny Manziel measured in shy of 6-feet tall this weekend, but he showed off his speed. (Michael Conroy, AP)

INDIANAPOLIS — Johnny Manziel is one of several quarterbacks not participating in passing drills at this weekend’s NFL combine, with Derek Carr and Teddy Bridgewater among those sitting out. But he put on display one of his more exciting attributes early Sunday morning, sprinting his way to a 4.68 in the 40-yard dash, the best time among the QBs to take the field early. (Unofficially, his time had been listed at a 4.55)

Three players in the second QB group topped Manziel’s time: Connor Shaw, Stephen Morris and Logan Thomas, who put up a QB-best 4.61.

Bridgewater told reporters on Saturday that he would run the 40, though he confirmed he was waiting for his Pro Day to throw. However, he changed his mind sometime in the next 24 hours. The Louisville QB stood and watched while the rest of the quarterbacks took to the Lucas Oil Stadium turf.

Carr landed just behind Manziel at a very respectable 4.69, with Central Florida’s Blake Bortles clocking in at 4.93. Of the projected top four quarterbacks in this class (Bridgewater, Carr, Manziel and Bortles), only Bortles was competed in all drills Sunday.

Here’s a look at the faster of two Manziel runs Sunday, via Bleacher Report:

60 comments
BrandonMarioAleman
BrandonMarioAleman

I'm sorry Johnny Manziel from Tivy and that's where I live in Kerrville but he's not that great we a freshman running as fast if not faster than him I thought he would have done better

Joebuckster
Joebuckster

Too funny. He was the 4th fastest QB, and barely beat Carr (by 1/100 sec). Yet the title characterizes Manziel's sprint as 'impressive', while a sidenote mentions that Carr is simply 'respectable'. Sports 'journalism' has been reduced to distorting perceptions to receive more mouse clicks.


Click, click, click. 


Sad.

da'Packers
da'Packers

Note to self:  It isn't his speed, its his ability to make them miss.

da'Packers
da'Packers

I wish I had $100 for every post that says Johnny won't make it in the NFL.  I'd double down on you all and make a fortune when he comes up big.  This kid is the next best thing since sliced bread.  He will become one of the best of all times - he is a future Hall of Fame Quarterback.

ChiefG
ChiefG

Let's see what he can do in game time situations in the NFL.

This isn't College ball anymore. New world out there, Manziel

KeysSteven
KeysSteven

This post on the Viagra®?  How long you gonna' keep this one up?  Somebody's a BIG Manziel fan. 

DavidHarte
DavidHarte

4.68 is not "stellar"…not even close.  Actually, 4.55 is not "stellar" either, not for a 5'11" 190 lbs QB trying to outrun a 280 lbs beast like Clowney, who's running 4.47….


Griffin, Vick, and of course Steve Young could outrun Clowney.  Manziel will get crushed.

hubrob107
hubrob107

wow, this makes cam newton even more superior

gunter
gunter

Nice camera work right there.


Blinker
Blinker

Nice...  He is going to need to run if he does not want to get killed in the NFL!!!!!!  The NFL is NOT "yardball".

The_truth_hurts
The_truth_hurts

The 40 yard dash. The most useless drill of all time. When the hell do lineman, linebackers, QB's....pretty much every position other than RB and WR, ever run at full speed for 40 yards? Not to mention they aren't wearing 20 pounds of padding. Stupid.

raja.govindarajan
raja.govindarajan

Why do they make the offensive players run with empty hands instead of holding a football in one of their hands?  Running 4.xx doesn't mean a thing if you can run like that....after fumbling the ball :-) :-)  

DavePerks
DavePerks

Don Warren, tight end with the original Hogs in Washington, was 6' 4"and weighed 242 pounds. Logan Thomas is 6' 6" and 257 pounds. He just ran a faster 40 than Manziel. THAT'S pretty stellar.


pandebailey
pandebailey

"Stellar time"?  Why make stuff up?  Johnny is the size of RG3 and Mike Vick and they ran stellar times......under 4.4's.  Steve Young ran faster than Johnny 25 years ago.  If his official time comes back as 4.6 are you gonna say that's "stellar" too?   

KeithKoloff
KeithKoloff

So Johnny is about as fast as NFL linebackers. They are gonna knock his head off

DSM
DSM

The headline says the time was "impressive", but the story suggests it wasn't?  He certainly looked very fast vs. Bama 2 years in a row.


For all the posturing about how in depth NFL scouting is, at the most important position by far, Wilson, Warner, Favre, Marino, Montana all went much lower than Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Jamarcus Russell and many more.

MrArlington
MrArlington

Since he is QB his 40 yard dash time is only important if he is ungodly slow.

ken.burnside
ken.burnside

Tale of the Tape:

Wilson:  10.75" hand span.  Manziel:  9.5"
Wilson:  4.55 40-yard dash.  Manziel:  4.68

Wilson:  191.8 efficiency.  Manziel:  172.4

I've seen Manziel play.  He is a "throw to the open guy" passer, with no anticipation - this is very different from Wilson, which shows up in their efficiency ratings.   Manziel has limited ability to throw into tight coverage with catchable balls, and he has a tendency to go read-1, read-2, get out of the pocket and improvise.

He's a talent.  He'll need a lot of time to adjust to the NFL game.  He might be very very good.

If Wilson was a 3rd round pick, Manziel should be a 3rd round pick.  (Wilson should've been about 5th off the board, but I'm glad the Hawks got him.)

Manziel needs to learn situational footbal.  He's never had to play that way before. 

aeppbp
aeppbp

Not very fast.  Good luck to team that him.  I'm sure it is not mine...LOL.

bobdevo
bobdevo

If you watched Manziel in the Chick Fila Bowl, you saw a passer and a leader; he most reminds me of Joe Montana, who was only about 1" taller than Manziel.  If he has a decent offensive line, he will make big plays for whoever gets him.

MikeSchultz
MikeSchultz

If MORRIS can sit behind a Solid Veteran and Mature Mentally a Bit my Guy from MIAMI can turn into a Solid QB plus it's nice seeing him Run without an Injured Ankle like he had ALL DAMN SEASON. The RAMS could use him as Bradford Insurance or someone. 

Frank14
Frank14

joe theisman type build.

friendly-neighborhood-scrawler
friendly-neighborhood-scrawler

for those who thought RG3 was all hype, Johnny has taken that hype to a new level..  passing tebow...at least rg3 can pass the ball and do it well in the pocket, but for johnny to go from a mid to late first round pick and now people are saying he should be number 1 over a real QB in Bridgewater is laughable... Am i missing something? last time i checked the film doesnt lie, i think people need to watch it again... to put this in prespective... a 7 foot nba player getting hype and they only show him dunking... thats what johnny would be... watch johnny football highlights if you dont believe me... and russell is a lot better passer than johnny russell is not being sold on his ability to keep plays alive as his main weapon... only johnny is... so his 40 time is terrible. johnny needs to have a 40 time in the Vic range to be impressive.

effeweall
effeweall

he should have run on all fours. He has hugehands that could have upped his time

John4
John4

The funny thing about watching Manziel run is looking at his NON NFL style body.  I don't think he'll last more than about 4 years in the NFL.  Also, I don't think he'll win more than 15 games in his NFL career.

PM75
PM75

When they're covering punts and kickoffs during special teams.  Paul Brown started measuring the time of his players so his punters could more accurately kick under coverage.  Had nothing to do with how fast skill position players ran.

lavudyar
lavudyar

@pandebailey  I'm 5'5" and weighed in at 165 as a HS senior when I clocked a 4.55 (avg of 3 hand timed runs). I was close to the fastest guy on the team but didn't play much because a) I sucked and b) I sucked and c) I'm pretty small for football lol! To me, 4.4 is fast, and in the 4.3s or below is stellar. 4.68 is slow.

da'Packers
da'Packers

@MrArlington I agree wholeheartedly.  It is pretty clear the reason Manziel gets outside the pocket so much is because he can.  Where other QBs would stay in and get sacked, Johnny has the unique ability to shake off would be tacklers and break outside.  That in itself changes the dynamics of any game he plays in.

clt0002
clt0002

@bobdevo  I think he can be good, but let's hold off on comparing him to the greatest of all time. 

KidHorn
KidHorn

@friendly-neighborhood-scrawler  <i>at least rg3 can pass the ball and do it well in the pocket</i>


Anyone who states this has no credibility. RG3 is a terrible pocket passer. Without his running ability, he's worthless.

bobdevo
bobdevo

@friendly-neighborhood-scrawler Manziel was the most accurate pocket passer in his conference, hitting 73% completions in the pocket. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

Cool
Cool

@friendly-neighborhood-scrawler  I wish I could take your comments seriously but when you make the comments you make, and then tell others to watch his tapes.. I am convinced you either fell asleep when watching Manziel or you are repeating what others have written.  In college Russel played one year in Wisconsin in the big 10... nothing like playing in the SEC.  

newshamg
newshamg

@John4  What a stupid comment. You could make that statement about many players. There is no NFL "body". 


Unless you mean O-linemen being fat and non-athletic and eliciting hoots of laughter in other countries when people try to make out the NFL is full of great athletes.

Cool
Cool

@John4  Brett Favre had the same problem.. the dude just wasn't built to play football.. I still can't believe it took him so many years to finally realize it.

JosephBagadoughnutz
JosephBagadoughnutz

@lavudyar @pandebailey   its funny how people talk "to small" for football.  Barry Sanders and Walter Payton used that type of talk for inspiration, and embarrassed dozens of "professional" football scouts along the way.

carjax1202
carjax1202

@Cool @KeithKoloff  Please stop with the comparisons to Wilson.....Little Johnny boy hasn't done a damn thing in the pros yet and the sports media keeps hyping him up like his the next coming of Christ.  He was a pretty good QB in college, but the NFL is a whole different ball game.

ken.burnside
ken.burnside

@Cool @ken.burnside  Because Wilson's official time was 4.55.  Manziel's official time was 4.68.  I'm sure Manziel's hands are going to vary by an inch and a quarter with multiple measures...and really, I just used the efficiency ratings of both of them in their last season in college ball.

The punditterati are trying to say "If you don't take Manziel, you're missing out on the next Russell Wilson."  I don't think Manziel is the next RW at this time.  I think he needs a season or two of being coached in the pro game to hit his full potential.


I did watch Wilson's last season with Wisconsin, and watched Manziel's last season with A&M.  Manziel would've, in my opinion, been better off staying in college for another year and developing as a pocket passer, learning to throw with anticipation and learning to look off safeties.  He relies on things that work in college ball, but after the league's adjusted to RG3 and Kaepernick, won't work terribly well in the pros.

JeffBockert
JeffBockert

@Cool @friendly-neighborhood-scrawler    Nothing like playing in the SEC??? You are kidding right? Texas A&M and Missouri and new to the SEC and they are kicking butt. You jokers need to wake up. How did Iowa, Duke and Oklahoma do against the SEC in the bowl games? Stick to being the friendly neighborhood scrawler and zip it. 

nfinitwordsfoto
nfinitwordsfoto

@newshamg @John4   I'll bet those "fat and non-atheletic" dudes would not only destroy you in the bench press but I'd bet that most of them could outrun you in the 40.  

AEWilson
AEWilson

@The whole "NFL is a different ball game" mantra is true for every player ever drafted from college into the NFL. Not one player comes in without a need to learn the game at that level.

da'Packers
da'Packers

@carjax1202 Your comment reminds me of another quarterback I watched very closely for a very long time - Brett Favre.

Cool
Cool

@JeffBockert @Cool @friendly-neighborhood-scrawler  Have you watched Wisconsin play football?  Are you really going to sit here and say that both teams play the same kind of ball?  There are NO teams in the Big10 that are an "air it out" team..  A&M plays an air it out game.. two completely different styles.. so comparing Wilson and Manziel is apples to oranges.

Cool
Cool

@WestcoastMD  Let's imagine for a second the conversation between Favre andWestcoastMD.


Favre:  You know WestcoastMD, I really like the puffs toilet paper.

WestcoastMD:  I don't believe you, how do you know if you like it or not?


Favre: Well... because it works well and I like it.


WestcoastMD: You have no idea what you're talking about.  

Cool
Cool

@nfinitwordsfoto @Cool @John4  Have you ever read the comments Brett Favre has made concerning Johnny?  You know, it is one thing to make a statement like that to me, a non professional with an opinion, but it is quite another to suggest Brett is wrong in his own assessment.