Posted November 10, 2013

Jonathan Martin’s lawyer attempts to provide context for ‘murder’ text

AFC East, Miami Dolphins
Did Jonathan Martin (right) also make threats to Richie Incognito?

Did Jonathan Martin (right) also make threats to Richie Incognito? (Bill Feig/AP)

As part of his Sunday interview with FOX’s Jay Glazer, Dolphins guard Richie Incognito defended some of the remarks he made to Jonathan Martin by arguing “[that's] how we communicate with one another.”

“The week before this went down, Jonathan Martin texted me on my phone, [saying], ‘I will murder your whole effing family,’” Incognito said. “Now, did I think Jonathan Martin was going to murder my family? Not one bit. I knew it was coming from a brother. I knew it was coming from a friend. I knew it was coming from a teammate.”

For reasons that may be up for debate, Martin’s lawyer, David Cornwell, tweeted out what he claims is the same “text”(warning, strong language) that Incognito referenced:

jonathan-martin-meme

Does that prove that Martin was complicit in a rather over-the-top line of jokes with Incognito? If so, it’s hard to figure out why Cornwell would release it to the public.

So, perhaps the motivation here was to take any possible edge off that Incognito comment — even though Incognito said he did not believe Martin was “going to murder my family,” that he brought it up at all might have painted Martin in a more negative light.

No matter why Cornwell tweeted out the image, it’s just another odd twist in a story that doesn’t seem like it will go away any time soon.

53 comments
synmax11
synmax11

When these allegations first came to light, I thought, like many others, it was a clear case of bullying a weaker teammate.  

BUT - as more evidence comes out , I am thinking that this is NOT what it appears on the surface. 

Incognito is crude, idiotic and juvenile at times BUT testimony from black teammates state that Incognito is NOT a racist or a Bully and the black guys like him  more than Martin.

There is also evidence that any of the pressure that Incognito put on martin was at the request of the coaching staff to get Martin to attend off-season Voluntary conditioning session.

Recently, there are messages from Martin himself, using the same insults and profanity back at Incognito in a friendly manner.

Incognito also has a message that Martin sent him, after he left the team, apologizing for losing control of the situation and saying it's no one's fault and that it's gotten out of Martin's control.  That indicates to me that someone else (parents?)  is pressuring Martin to retain a lawyer and file complaints against the Dolphins, Incognito and the NFLPA.  And then they had Martin enter psychological counselling for anxiety?  That's usually used to show that the hazing/bullying led to psychological distress and pain in a lawsuit.

I think someone in Martin's family (parents?) saw or heard these messages from Incognito and became enraged and categorized these messages as abuse and bullying as opposed to what it really was - friendly smack talk between team members.

If a lawsuit goes into effect - Incognito is done in the NFL. He already has a bad reputation in the NFL for dirty play and bad attitude. He has been able to prosper with the Dolphins and make the Pro Bowl, but after this, he will be too much of a liability and he's over 30 anyway - so they'll look to release him.

Martin may find it hard to stay on in the NFL - this incident may have poisoned the Dolphins players/staff  against him so they'll look to trade him.  Many teams may view him as a snitch and decide against acquiring him.  

On the positive side - Martin's still young (23-24 yr old) and if he can improve his play and stay consistent, some team will have an opening due to injury and he'll be picked up.

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jasonhops99
jasonhops99

All you anti-Whites make excuse after excuse to turn every White country into a non-White country - Genocide.

All you anti-Whites rationalize and justify White children living as minorities in their own homes - Genocide.

All you anti-Whites justify a future without White children. - Genocide.

When you are exposed for the genocide you support, you call us names, send us death threats, and get us fired from our jobs.

Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

beast
beast

Martin is trying to race bait his way into some money while he doesnt even work for it. 

kevinlbyrd1988
kevinlbyrd1988

The dog is a Pitbull people. Maybe that will help you guys understand the context of the Message a little better. It is just referencing what people think all Pitbull's are capable of doing no matter how ridiculous it seems. For all I know one of the two of Martin or Incognito are Pitbull supporters and found the message funny. This message isn't over the top and is actually pretty mild to some messages I've received over the years.

iJimbot
iJimbot

IMHO, very unprofessional for a lawyer to tweet out comments, images, or anything related to a client's potential case. I can see an athlete doing it. I can even see an agent doing it. Lawyers, not so much. 

DennyCrane
DennyCrane

Many years ago I worked in an office where a white male and a black female used to trade similar "jokes" between each other. Then one day the white male said something that was over the top for the black female and the white male was sent packing.

Same thing here. Incognito may have been dumb enough to think that he was talking "trash" with a brother, teammate, but all that means is that Martin was interpreting the messages otherwise but didn't speak up until he reached his fill.

Oh, and texting some guy that you're going to kill him and his family if he doesn't cough up cash is a bit different then the example here.

6marK6
6marK6

Obviously the text from Martin was a joke, when you see what context it is in. So, once again, you see Incognito being less than truthful in how he implied that text was something more. He was implying that his racist and threatening texts were the same as a joke with a picture of cute dog that Martin sent. That is inaccurate and dishonest. 

StevenYaniz
StevenYaniz

Just reinstate Incognito while the investigation continues, this was neither bullying or hazing.

thebigdawg3
thebigdawg3

Martin is a piece of garbage.  Time for him to end it and jump off a bridge.

ruggerrick9
ruggerrick9

If anything, the fact that it was a funny meme that Martin sent as opposed to a deranged sounding rant helps to prove Incognito's contention that the entire exchange was meant as a joke.  If you're receiving tweets that you perceive to be threatening or bullying, do you respond with a funny picture?

And the fact the author put text in quotation marks implies, as many others have, that Incognito misrepresented this as a text that was really a funny meme.  You do understand that you can send pictures via text, right?


RuKdingMe
RuKdingMe

Is anyone wondering why "badguy Incognito" publicly appeared to provide context, while "victim Martin" has context provided by a lawyer?  Why would the goodguy hide out of view - wouldn't we all be more sympathetic to the victim's heart-wrenching story - and why did the badguy appear believably contrite and saddened by his friend's situation?

If Martin needs help I hope he finds it.  My guess is that if Martin needed Richie's assistance to receive that help, Richie would be there for him.

The more facts and context that come to light, the more I think Richie is being unfairly blamed and punished.   


RuKdingMe
RuKdingMe

Seems most, if not all, of Incognito's teammates have a very favorable view of him; and an unfavorable view of Martin.  These 50+ people spend a lot of time together, so there are probably reasons why they hold these views, and the rest of us who don't personally know any of these characters should probably refrain from drawing conclusions from media sound-bites that are motivated by page-clicks/ad rates/etc; "BULLYING" (click here), "RACIST" (click here), "NFL EXTORTION" (click here).

So much of the initial story has been subsequently found to have been misleading.  There was no extortion, just someone who cancelled out of a pre-paid trip at the last minute and had to cough-up his share.  If there was bullying (hazing), Martin participated in it by also hazing rookies himself; one week before the "cafeteria incident" Martin had participated in an identical stunt.  The African-Americans on the team that spend considerable time with Incognito say he is not a racist, and they have insight that we should respect.  Martin (jokingly) texted that he would kill Incognito's family, but no one thinks that was a threat so we should take Incognito's "I'll kill you" voicemail in the same light.  Incognito is shown stomping around a bar "IN A RAGE" (click here), yet the other people in the video aren't moving away from him and some appear to be laughing, so there was likely a very different context than what was presented.

Maybe someday we'll learn what this issue was really about, assuming the media starts focusing on reporting and not sensationalizing for page-clicks.


JasonKoonce
JasonKoonce

Martin played along with the gags and the jokes and ugly speech that we all use amongst our closest companions. That is, until someone probably really hurt his feelings, and by then he had had it up to HERE!

Incognito is probably the guy we all know who is good at what he does and has a big mouth to go along with it. Perhaps an a-hole, but there are channels and methods to deal with those dudes. Stay away from them, let them know in no uncertain terms what the deal is, turn the tables on them.

Martin however, is not blame free here and that is the point. Are you 'one of the guys' Jonathan? If not, make it clear, get another job, do something about it. Don't go running to the media claiming you are the only one being picked on and disrespected because we know that isn't the case. Other people have handled it as well, and you are not the first one.

I'm thinking Martin is just as dumb as Incognito...both need therapy

Dzzzzzs
Dzzzzzs

Maybe it's just a rouse?  Prankin'!!!


PopeEggs
PopeEggs

The author of this article is a clueless toolbag.  It's not a threat.  It's supposed to be funny in that the dog is smiling but looks more like a serial killer.  This is a very common type of meme.  The purpose is COMEDY and the reason it was tweeted out is because it should be completely obvious that it's completely different from the voicemail or texts that Incognito sent.  Who knows, this story may change, but as of now, those are the facts. 

mooltrikon
mooltrikon

This whole story is sick. But I still side with Martin. I have worked with guys who are borderline-Incognito-types. I hated working with them.

Bazelope
Bazelope

Is there a chance these guys are BOTH gay?  Think about it:  We know they shower together and the cute little rift is certainly a bit of manufactured "housewives" drama.  If they are I am certain that Martin is the girl.

OnePass
OnePass

All of Incognito's professional teams have had losing records.  Haze harder.

Lee3
Lee3

This is becoming clearer every day.  Incognito is not a choir boy, but its becoming clear that he isn't the full fledged racist bully that some of the media painted him to be when this story broke.  Younger people do speak to each other in what are sometimes vulgar ways if looked at from the outside, but when viewed from the individual's perspective, the slang they use is more of a harmless joke.  The truth is that if he had not used a reference to his racial background at all, this story would be much less of a headliner.  It may not be PC to say, but the fact that Martin, a grown man, checked himself into a mental health facility does point to his mental stability or lack thereof as being a part of the overall picture here.  That is not to say anything is Martin's fault, but sometimes we need to look for an explanation of events and restrain ourselves from feeling as though we must assign some degree of societal "fault".

frangooch32
frangooch32

Thank God basketball season is here.....

outiavvs
outiavvs

so we're to pay attention to the "context" now that it's martin threatening peoples lives? Ahh those lawyers.

stashu
stashu

I think Incognito is mentally ill.  Was he bullied as a child? Is he a closeted and self-hating gay man?

triathloncoach
triathloncoach

It appears that Martin responded as if they were joking. Which  I would wager is how incognito intended. Did Martin warn his sister and tell the Police that she was in danger of being raped by incognito? Geez..

Cool
Cool

Ok, did Incognito miss the whole thing with expression on the dogs face?  

paul s.
paul s.

The reason he released it it because the phrase "I'm gonna kill your family' is a meme that has been passed around for YEARS and is completely unassuming - there's an episode of 30 Rock where the expression is a subplot unto itself - you cannot compare it to Cog's racist rants, or the rape threat directed at martin's sister

beast
beast

@6marK6 He was so scared of Incognito he pissed himself but he sent him a text like this? Good luck finding another dummy like you that would buy that one. LOL

rlouie11
rlouie11

@StevenYaniz no way that will happen, Incognito has played his last play with the Dolphins........

RuKdingMe
RuKdingMe

Apparently, the media will start reporting Incognito's side of the story when they determine that page-click will increase by doing so.  Even the link to this story on SI's home page "Martin Responds" is misleading when it really was "Martin's lawyer responds"

DennyCrane
DennyCrane

@RuKdingMe You sound like your ripe for some sort of harassment claim. I recommend you sprint down the hall to your HR for some "sensitivity" training. Ultimately a football team is an employer with a workplace. Neither the employer nor any of its employees may harass another employee whether it be a hostile work environment or any other form of harassment. 

Martin's parents are Harvard lawyers - what do you suppose they and their attorney friends know about this that you don't? Plenty I'd say.

 

me1
me1

@RuKdingMe This case is a sure win under Florida Harassment Law. It makes 100% sense to me...why does it not to you?

me1
me1

@RuKdingMe This is immaterial under Florida Harassment Law. This is the point everyone seems to be missing. Heads will fall...and it won't just be Incognito.

NotAnNCAAFan
NotAnNCAAFan

@RuKdingMe Most of Incognito's teammates have said that using the "n" term liberally was acceptable as well. Whether they thing that is racist or not is fairly relevant, and they obviously got it wrong.

RuKdingMe
RuKdingMe

Interestingly, Martin reached his breaking point after the team had to trade for someone to take over Martin's left-tackle position, Martin was moved to the less difficult right-tackle and played very poorly there, and had just reviewed the game film of his poor play when he bolted from the team.  

Now we know 4 days after leaving the team - and outside of badguy Richie's reach - that Martin texted Incognito in a friendly & positive exchange.  Could Martin's breaking point be related to his playing failures?  Was/is Martin looking for reasons that justify his failures (it wasn't my fault, I was a victim!)?

Not sure we'll ever know why Martin reached his breaking point, but it certainly wasn't for the reasons initially reported. 

JasonKoonce
JasonKoonce

@mooltrikon I don't like them either, but in reality they are usually troubled in one way or another and mean no malice. It's the way they are. The best thing to do with dudes like that is to either leave them out of your life, or tell them 'you got the wrong one, dude.'

Looks to me like Martin played along and instead of handling it through the right channels he threw a fit and ran to the media, albeit indirectly. Now that he is also in the spotlight, it seems he isn't quite the sweet, innocent, offensiive lineman we thought he was.

Joebuckster
Joebuckster

@Bazelope You sure have given this a lot of thought. How do you know so much about homosexuality? Are you about to berate and threaten me??

Joebuckster
Joebuckster

@Lee3 So I guess your message here is that you can call a black person a n!ggur, but that doesn't mean you're a racist. Great work.

inthepresent
inthepresent

@Lee3 i didn't think so at first (and i commented so), but after following this for the past few days, i'm inclined to move somewhat closer the this side of the argument. 

in all, there's nothing pretty about the whole incident, but it sure as hell isn't as cut and dry as it once seemed. 

i'm going to reserve judgement (as i should have previously) until it becomes a lot clearer than it is right now. 


synmax11
synmax11

@stashu Gay? Who knows...

Incognito was the big shy fat kid who was picked on until his Dad made him fight his tormenters.  He was able to beat them up and like the feeling of power.   

To him, being an alpha male was about being the loud guy, who says and does stupid stuff.

His bluster and obnoxious personality may be a shield or mask to hide how really sensitive the guy is.

I think Incognito is really hurt by these allegations of bullying and racial abuse, I think he felt he was speaking to a friend.

I also think that this incident has been blown up to set up a lawsuit - not by Martin. but by Martin's parents.

I think his parents heard or saw Incognito's messages and flipped out. They don't understand the context of the communication, they assumed it was racial abuse and bullying.

Martin - according to his message to Incognito after leaving the team is that he's not mad at anyone and he's sorry that the situation is now out of his hands.

RobertJacke
RobertJacke

@stashu I dont see any Dr, before your  name and you know Incognito is mentally ill and or gay....

eddie767
eddie767

@paul s. That's it in a nut shell,if not for the racial and rape threat maybe he was joking. I think not,but i'm tired of this piece at a time info. Cornwell/Martin should just release everything,since Martins career is over. 

synmax11
synmax11

@RuKdingMe My guess is Mommy or Daddy Martin heard or saw some of Incognito's messages and flipped out.   They don't understand locker-room culture and quickly jumped to the conclusion that it was bullying or racial discrimination and pressured Martin to take legal action,  

Martin even sent that message after leaving the team, saying that things have gotten out of control and that he doesn't blame anyone, isn't really angry and doesn't want to do this.  

It's sad that this is getting blown out of proportion by people who don't understand this locker-room culture.


inthepresent
inthepresent

@Joebuckster @Lee3 nope. he said nothing of the sort. and i don't imagine he thinks that it's ok either. he's noting that there are two sides to this story - only one of which has had any real traction until now. 

that seems to be shifting a bit. 

but well done on the reading comp. 

synmax11
synmax11

@cdawgdownsouth @RuKdingMe Exactly!! Thank you!

I'm betting that Martin's parents saw or heard these messages and became enraged. They didn't understand the context or the locker-room culture and assumed it was racial abuse or bullying.  They are pressuring Martin to get legal representation, file a complaint and seek counselling. 

Why? Because it sets up a lawsuit!! 

I think Mommy Martin the lawyer is the one pressuring her little boy to press charges.

I think Martin himself, wishes this never happened and just wants to go back to playing football. He knows that if this goes to a lawsuit, his playing days are over in the NFL. 

cdawgdownsouth
cdawgdownsouth

@RuKdingMe 

Yeah, the more I hear changes my initial interpretation. Guys - friends - co-workers - team mates give each other the business. I work in an office and we do it. Now, take that relationship to a locker room where you are paid to be the biggest and baddest and your job centers around constant physical battles and intimidation of opponents. Obviously, the ceiling of what is acceptable in ribbing a colleague is raised to a much greater level. And, it seems perfectly logical, in that environment that it would get very crude. Looking at transcripts of that kind of dialogue would be much different than hearing it play out before  you where teh context would be more clear with the addition of facial expressions, maybe laughter, etc. I can completely see it as friendly, albeit crude and vulgar and unacceptable in a different climate. We just don't know what else Martin was going through besides that. It feels like he got overwhelmed by something and made an exit. And the lawyers get involved and now he can't back down and probably feels trapped with what probably went way beyond what he intended. And Cognito is probably hearing the accusations and shocked to hear his friend's camp blaming him for what he thought was 'normal' between comrades. Of course this is just conjecture but it seems completely plausible and it's hard for  me to place blame on either one of them. 

RuKdingMe
RuKdingMe

Not sure how you seemingly know what either person's intent was, but "I will kill you, blah, blah, OK, call me back" doesn't sound like a threat to me, so I will follow your lead and declare that "Cog's" message was also an obvious joke.