Posted November 07, 2013

Dolphins fire back at Jonathan Martin, defend Richie Incognito

AFC East, Miami Dolphins
Jonathan Martin left the Dolphins last week to reportedly seek mental counseling.

Jonathan Martin left the Dolphins last week to reportedly seek mental counseling. (Joel Auerbach/Getty Images)

Three days after Richie Incognito was suspended indefinitely, a number of his Miami Dolphins teammates came to his defense to, as defensive lineman Randy Starks told the Palm Beach Post‘s Andrew Abramson, “clear Richie’s name.”

Incognito has been at the center of a firestorm surrounding his relationship with fellow Miami lineman Jonathan Martin. Martin left the Dolphins last week, reportedly to seek out mental counseling. The Dolphins then launched an investigation into alleged bullying that Martin claimed he had been subjected to by Incognito.

Martin turned over to the Dolphins and the NFL a series of voicemails and texts sent to him by Incognito, which included racial remarks and threats.

Several Dolphins said Wednesday that Martin has taken all of those comments out of context, with multiple players questioning Martin’s motives in the situation.

The following tweets come from the New York Post‘s Bart Hubbuch, the Miami Herald‘s Adam Beasley and the Palm Beach Post‘s Andrew Abramson, all of whom were present for the team’s media availability on Wednesday:

Dolphins coach Joe Philbin said on Monday that he requested and was granted a meeting with Martin last week, after Martin left the team’s facility. “As the weekend unfolded, early on Sunday, as you well know, as an organization we released a statement that was 100 percent factual,” said Philbin, referencing the team’s statement that maintained no charges of bullying had been made within the organization. “Soon thereafter, we were contacted by representatives of Jonathan, and before I say that I should let you know that in all my discussions with Jonathan and members of his family, at no time were there any accusations or allegations of misconduct by any members of this team or organization.

“Later on Sunday, we were contacted by one of his representatives where they in fact had some concerns over player conduct that had occurred. We immediately took those concerns very, very seriously.”

At that time, the Dolphins announced that Incognito would be suspended while the team and league investigated Martin’s allegations. Thus far, there has been no indication as to when that investigation may conclude.

328 comments
RobRenfrew
RobRenfrew

I guess what i would worry about is players coming out and defending Incognitos ignorant behaviour, guys like your QB who is "trying" to be a leader by saying Incognitos behaviour was "the best teammate you could ask for", really? So your leader and starting qb thinks using racial slurs daily is being a great teammate, shows the kind of people the dolphins hire, now we know why this team is brutal, no leadership anywhere in the building, and, as for all you on here crucifying Martin you are the same type of morons that the dolphins have in their locker room, your all tough guys till it happens to you, violence is the way right?? Thats why all you guys are flipping hamburgers in burger king!

James Smith
James Smith

Hyper masculinity + gang culture= social decay. Consider the reaction here. Martin has a Stanford education and is viewed with contempt. Incognito is a thug and is praised. Tragedy that African American young men are taught to hate so deeply. I teach at a public university, and many African American women notice the same thing. They seek spouses outside of their ethnic community, because they fear Black men.

Can only hope sports like Football change, or go the way of the dinosaurs

cj_laliberty
cj_laliberty

“Martin wouldn’t be allowed back in my locker room,” Taylor told the Daily News. “I understand Incognito may be a bad guy, but all that stuff should have stayed in the locker room. I don’t know if I would let Incognito back in the locker room either, but he would be allowed back in my locker room before the other guy would. They are texting each other like two women. I don’t understand that.

“If you are that sensitive and weak-minded, then find another profession,” he said. “That’s the way I feel about it. This is the NFL. This is football. This is not table tennis. This is not golf. I don’t know how you bully a 350-pound player  Gotta love Laurence Taylor.

MarkCalasade
MarkCalasade

Looks more and more like Martin's claims are B.S.

Edan
Edan

MARTIN IS A PUNK. He was not driven to anything. He was being replaced on the O-line, because he couldn't run block or stop a pass rusher. His ego was driven to make something out of nothing. PUNK!!!

SQ2
SQ2

Lovers Quarrel

Saravia35
Saravia35

How long has Incognito been with the Dolphins? If Martin decided to attack Incognito or fight back would he get support from other Team mates? AHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Come on people. I don't think Incognito is racist at all BUT i do think he is a bully judging by his lack of character on the field. I mean to be rated the 2nd most dirty player in the NFL and teammates saying hes the leader of the team!!?? ARE YOU crAZY! Incognito is one of those guys that has good social skills and is very likable by people. i know those types of bullies, they befriend the right types of peoples and once in position takes advantage of those that are not so sociable like Martin. i'm in the military and have been on a couple deployments and this seems to be a cycle. Martin is simply breaking the cycle in a way the 21st century should handle it because cases like school shootings need to stop. 

David G
David G

The more information that comes out the more this story is changing direction.  If the team really supports Incognito then much more will come out.  Now Martin's agent is claiming he had problems with a lot more of the team.  What really happened?  Is Martin attempting to get paid for not playing when he walked away from the team?

KSZA
KSZA

Spygate, Bountygate, Bullygate - all exclusive to one outlier team just doing things totally different than other NFL clubs.  These are rare incidents in the nice NFL where everything else is rosy - how dare these clubs do such. 

People who actually believe this are extremely gullible!  

Water-Faery
Water-Faery

"Randy Starks: Incognito took Martin under his wings, was like a big brother to him."

Did Martin define Incognitothis way?  And if he did, did Martin see him as a good big brother or a scary big brother?!

Huhh
Huhh

Media may be making much of nothing or...

DamionMosher
DamionMosher

One thing I don't see mentioned here is the possibility that Martin knew, either by confronting Incognito and having him blurt it out, or from past experiences with the coaches, that someone higher up had ordered all this done to him. Hell, he might have known by the simple fact that they were participating in the hazing. Either way, knowing this, why would he ever step forward to report a thing. With the tough guy mentality that this club has, it would have brought more ridicule and pain for Martin.

SweetLightCrude
SweetLightCrude

I'm pretty much sick of hearing what these guys have to say.

Football players are great athletes. Beyond that . . . who knows? I think there's a greater than average chance that they're warped losers you wouldn't want to live with or have your kids marry or work with. Maybe not their fault, given the way they're treated, regarded like royalty. But why do we keep asking this group for input on matters of ethics or decency? This is a group that pretty much would do anything to win. So it's news that Ryan Tannehill feels moved to defend a guy who called a teammate a half-n***** POS?

Picasso was a miserable human, too. Didn't mean he couldn't paint. But nobody would ask him for comment about how to be a decent person. Why is ESPN and SI so intent on getting these guys to make sense of this? Does it really matter what some other bubble-dwelling macho half-wit thinks?


biglio
biglio

This is exactly the same colture that got NO in trouble for the bounties on hurting other players....is this really the values we want our kids to learn?

that is the real question.

biglio
biglio

Well, what do you expect, you have a guy how came from Stanford put in a locker room full of people that went to Podunk college with degrees in window dressing or similar not able to verbalize anything and just express themselves physically.....and then those guys started bullying him. Clearly Martin wasn't prepared but I wonder also how many beers together after work Joe Flacco (that went to Brown) and Ray Lewis had after work.........I'm surprised those things didn't happen more often.......

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

One more...

My mind isn't changing.  Martin was driven beyond the breaking point by institutionalized thuggery.  Any "being OK with it" was someone trying desperately to fit in--only to be brutalized even more.

The comments section -- all the people defending the Dolphins and Incognito -- is a parade of psychopathology that would thrill any cognitive scientist.

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

"Pay no attention to Richie Incognito's personal past history as a psycho, and the fact that he got kicked off a college team.  Richie is a great guy.  And now that we've had a chance to finesse our 'team message,' we'll be more effective than ever at defending our psycho-hero and smearing Martin."

kman8599
kman8599

@Edan So those that are bullied, are punks?  No matter the job, you can't harass your co-workers, and that is exactly what Incognito did.  I wouldn't get away with that in my office, so why should he?  One last thing, if I was treated that way, I would leave my job too.

Observerofbs
Observerofbs

He thought out a great exit strategy, to get paid for not working. Even on the field, his play was sub-par. Apparently , someone seen talent but ignored the person's desire to play this violent game. Book smart mentally weak. Warriors do what they have to do. Apparently defenses talked about his family, as it affected his blocking skills.

Heyward Shepherd
Heyward Shepherd

@Saravia35 This 300 lb 6 foot 4 inch black man reporting people were saying hurtful things to him is in you mind equivalent to school shootings. That about says it all as to where we are in the 21st century. There is no longer any sense of perspective. you're right Incognito is worse then Hitler just because some weak link on the team wanted a good cry and media attention.  

pandah462
pandah462

@SweetLightCrude The comparison with Picasso is a hoot.  I don't know if he had that much of a following in his day, and I'm fairly certain that his industry didn't have the celebrity status that being a professional athlete does.  There also was no news that traveled quickly, like the Interweb or Tweetster.  You peed the bed on that analogy.

pandah462
pandah462

@biglio I know one thing that I don't "want our kids to learn"...and that's the English language from someone like you.  "Colture"?  What are you, about nine years old?

pandah462
pandah462

@biglio 1. Didn't Martin play under Harbaugh at Stanford? I imagine that wasn't the utopia you envision.

2. Flacco did not go to Brown.  Are you maybe thinking of Joe Paterno?  Also, it should read "who went to Brown" and not what you typed.

petersc427
petersc427

@biglio Uh...Joe Flacco went to Delaware (Podunk College Exhibit A) and, regardless of where he went to college, I don't think he's ever struck anyone as a genius among Neanderthals

bserious
bserious

@MidwestGolfFan The irony is, in a sense it's not really Incognito's fault.  He was literally doing what he thought was asked of him.  I'm not defending in any way how he went about it, just saying that a large part of the blame should be placed on the people in management who gave Incognito the task.


89RedSox
89RedSox

@kman8599 @Edan There's no bullying here - that's the way they speak to one another. It's laughable you would compare your office to an NFL locker room.  

KSZA
KSZA

@pandah462 @SweetLightCrude industry did not have celebrity status?  Um artists were some of the most revered people from ancient times until very recently.  Only in the last 200 years has sport trumped art.

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

@bserious @MidwestGolfFan  

IOW, Incognito isn't REALLY responsible for his actions, because, being a psycho which everyone knows, he couldn't possibly understand the difference between leadership and brutality.

Sorry. Not buying.

pandah462
pandah462

@KSZA @pandah462 @SweetLightCrude I didn't say that it didn't have any celebrity status, duncecap.  I said that it doesn't have it compared to professional athletics.  How many millions of people were viewing his works back then?

M as in Mancy
M as in Mancy

@JimSmith4 @pandah462 Interesting fact: Pandah tried to win an argument one time by saying that he has 2 masters degrees. Judging by how he represents himself, my over under is 11th grade.

JimSmith4
JimSmith4

@pandah462 @JimSmith4 

Panduh's intelligence has left the building.  That is if it ever arrived.  Keep digging your public ignorance hole captain caveman.

eyeballsonu
eyeballsonu

@MidwestGolfFan @bserious Management told Richie to "Haze/Toughen up Martin........?          UM - INCOG is a grown adult.  There's a little word called, "NO" or "I don't want to be the guy to pee all over Martin."   responsibility is a two way street.   " Little Richie, (Said the teacher) why did you stick Little Johnney's head in the toilet at recess."    And Little Richie said, "Because someone told me to."   clearly, if management told INCOG to do this, they knew exactly what would happen.

bserious
bserious

@MidwestGolfFan @bserious Oh my head.  OK, I'll reword my statement, seeing as you apparently don't understand what the phrase "in a sense", and how it's used, so please pretend I didn't use it, I'm sorry I said it. 

I think Incognito's actions were reprehensible, and indefensible, period.  Sorry, were those words too long? How about: I think his actions were bad and wrong and really bad, and not good.

However, I also think that management should have known the history of the player when they picked him for the task of mentoring another player, so in my opinion they are also to blame for what Incognito did.  Do you think the people who asked Incognito to do this are just innocent victims here, there's no way they could have foreseen that it could go badly, and no reason they should have maybe thought to keep an eye on the 2 players, to see how it was going?  If that's what you think, then I'll just have to say I disagree with you, I think management is to blame for choosing the wrong tool for the task.

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

@bserious @MidwestGolfFan  

"I'm not defending his actions..." but he thought, in his tiny psycho mind that he was doing the right thing.

If that's not defending someone's actions, I don't know what is.

You're in a deep hole.  Stop digging.

bserious
bserious

@MidwestGolfFan @bserious And if you read what I said, you'd have seen me say "I'm not defending in any way how [Incognito] went about it".  Again, I said that management is largely to blame for picking this player for the task, and for not monitoring how he was going about it.  Please read what I actually wrote.  It is possible for more than one party to be at fault when something goes wrong.