Posted September 29, 2013

Mysterious advocate flies ‘Tebow, Why Not?’ banner over Jaguars’ stadium

AFC South, Jacksonville Jaguars
Yes, there are still people who want this to happen.

Yes, there are still people who want this to happen. (@ChelseaGatesUF)

If you’re tired of people lobbying for Tim Tebow to be an NFL quarterback, you’d better hope the Jacksonvlle Jaguars fix their quarterback situation sooner than later. Tebow is one of Jacksonville’s favorite sons, of course, and the fact that he hasn’t proven to be a functional player at the position since the Denver Broncos schemed brilliantly around his mechanical liabilities in 2011 won’t stop the Tebow faithful.

One of those faithful decided to make his/her feelings known in an aerial fashion by flying the banner pictured above over Jacksonville’s EverBank Stadium as the Indianapolis Colts were throttling the home team.

Chelsea Gates of GatorVision TV brought this to our attention via Twitter.

Starting quarterback Blaine Gabbert, back on the field for the first time since Week 1 due to a hand injury, had already thrown two picks, including one returned for a touchdown by Colts cornerback Darius Butler, around the time this message flew over the Jags’ offensive disaster. And when Tim Tebow seems to be a viable starting option, at least from a “How can it possibly be worse?” angle, your team has serious problems at the quarterback position.

102 comments
snowwhited23
snowwhited23

I don't know if, anyone really reads these post.....but would it not be funny for Tebow to win a game for a bad team. In turn sign him for a year and win a Superbowl !!!!

Frank50
Frank50

Above everything else the Jags need LEADERSHIP! They wreak of lack of leadership. U can't have a team or play like a team without it. Some competitive greatness & A fresh dose of leadership would move mountains for the Jags. Leadership spreads like the flu. All it takes is one person to start it! Tebow is a leader. He's also competitively great. Competitive Greatness is -being your best when your best is needed. Tebow is gonna give you everything he's got for four quarters. He may not come out & play great right away. But he's gonna give you 110% all day long, win, lose or draw. As teammates continue to play & practice around an athlete like this, the flu will spread. Players start to give 110% and they start to believe in one another & then start to believe in their team. Now you have a TEAM! Tebow signing with the Jags can't hurt because it can't get any worse. So whether it's the owner or the GM who has a problem with Tebow, I don't know. Maybe whoever it is needs to set aside their personal differences with Tim and make a smart business decision for the benefit of Jacksonville & it's football team. If a business man lets personal differences get in the way of making good business decisions then he's probably not worth a damn as a business man, at least not for my city & our team!

Scottsdale Guy A
Scottsdale Guy A

The owner of the Jags should be firing his head coach AND his GM for passing up the opportunity to sign Tim Tebow for next to nothing, not to mention in the process make the Jags relevant before the ink is even dry on his contract. What kind of MORON is running the show at the Jags anyway? They clearly have no concept of the simple principles of "Marketing 101". Adding Tim Tebow as their starting quarterback won't guarantee they will start winning --- though it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they did. What a concept: WINNING! What it WOULD do is overnight make the Jacksonville Jaguars they most talked about team in the league because suddenly there is something exciting and entertaining about the team to talk about. Add Tim Tebow as your quarterback and the fans will come in droves. Sorry, Jag management, but they aren't lining up to see Blaine Gabbert or Chad Henne. You are in dire need of the box office attraction that is Tim Tebow. The fact that the Jags are blowing this opportunity  to get a rock star like Tebow for pennies, and that they are totally oblivious to the "Hometown Hero Comes Home" aspect of the whole story, tells me that they are utterly clueless on a variety of levels. Forget the fact that they have EVERYTHING to gain, and absolutely NOTHING to lose by making such a strategic move. I'm not one to support a team owner over-riding a coach and/or GM in team personnel decisions, but this would be one of those times when I see it has absolutely necessary. The idea that David Caldwell won't even entertain the idea enough to try out Tebow tells me that he is in WAY over his head as a GM with absolutely no balls.

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Tebow is not a cure all or a band-aid. but he is a step in the right direction and something you can build a team around. They are plenty of teams who had the stats and still sucks. What Tebow brings is bigger than stats. He brings something that players can rally behind. You can't measure that with a clipboard, other than putting "Ws" in their Win/Loss column. What he does is make others better.

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Victor_Newman
Victor_Newman

the jets passed over tim tebow for greg mcelroy (who is also out of the league). then when mcelroy got hurt, they went back to sanchez. so tebow was essentially benched twice by a team that had nothing left to lose. if NYJ saw anything from tebow in practice, he would have been in there. clearly the NE patriots agreed.

esgalan2
esgalan2

To anyone remotely in favor of JAX "hiring Tebow, here are some facts about the 2011 Broncos season that might interest them  : 

First,  the Broncos with Kyle Orton (who started the first 5 games that year) were NOT as bad as most people think : 3 or their 4 losses came by a margin of 5 points or less.  Struggling, surely, but not hopeless.

What happened after the QB change to Tebow, after the bye week ? Better offense right ? 

Well not really...

The fact is that  the Broncos scored LESS points with Tebow than with Kyle Orton at QB:  18.5 points per games with Tebow  against  21 point with Orton.

 That is a 12% drop off.

 So why then, did they "start to win" ( 7-4 with Tebow compared to 1-4 with Orton) ?

Two things : 

Their defense simply got better : 28 points per game conceded before the change, 22.7ppg after

The opposition got somewhat weaker :

The 5 teams the Broncos faced when "led" by Kyle Orton ended up with an aggregated seasonal record of  61.3% which is roughly equivalent  to a 10-6 record (62.5%)

 The 11 teams  the Broncos faced when "led" by Tim Tebow ended up with an aggregated seasonal record of  43.7% which is equivalent to a 9-7 record (43.7%)

 So the real story of the 2011 Broncos seems to be a very ordinary one :  a team that wasn't  good (but not truly bad either) which used a bye week  to regroup and get a little better.

Before, they mostly lost by a narrow margin, after they mostly won by a narrow margin. At that was enough to turn things around.

And , of course, they had  the great good luck  to be in really weak division, so  they "won" it,  by way of a three way tiebreaker with two other teams sharing the "stellar" record of 8-8..Sweet way to go to the playoffs...

As far as Tebow is concerned in all this, the fact remains  that his presence led to a 12% decrease of  scoring.....

I  think that should put Tebow's "Miracle season in Denver", in its proper perspective.

As for the playoffs,  I refer anyone who would mention "his"  victory to "his" loss in the next game. As a mean to assess Tebow's talent as a QB , the latter should - at the very least - offset the former, for any fair minded person.

As for the much vaunted  Tebow "intangibles",  three passing remarks :

" the team rallied around Tebow  blah, blah, blah"  : The defense maybe... the offense not so much  Quite a strange phenomenon there :  a QB that makes the offense worse but the defense better...

"Tebow's leadership and work ethics, blah blah," : Sure, nevermind  the other players, and certainly not the coach, John Fox (and his staff ) !! Because coaches, everybody knows, don't really matter in football ...

 "All he does is win" : except, of course, when "he" lost ...

 So, to anyone who thinks that  the Jags should hire Tebow  because  "he turned around the Broncos and "led" them to the playoffs ", I say :

Dream on , folks !... After all , what do I know,  it might actually work !! 



 


ITATTRACTS
ITATTRACTS

Tim Tebow was flying that plane. 

Freida C
Freida C

Tebow is a winner. Unfortunately, haters will always hate.

dfarr
dfarr

Tebow is a good leader and is great when it come to rallying his team, sorry for all you haters but he wins that simple, his accomplishments more than prove that.

Vicious023
Vicious023

Lots of QBs out there that are better than Tebow in every way, and available. 

Sulkaman
Sulkaman

They are giving away free beer to get butts in the seats in Jacksonville.  There was a story earlier this week.  You want butts in the seats? Tebow can do that. The Jags aren't going to win many games anyhow. Sell some tickets and let the locals cheer for the local boy.

RobertSmith
RobertSmith

Vince Young, 31-19, 57.9% completions

Mark Sanchez, 33-29, 55.1% completions

Kyle Orton, 35-34, 58.4% completions

Matt Moore 13-12, 59.1% completions

Tim Tebow, 8-6, 47.9% completions

If you are looking for a "winner" who also completes passes, Tim Tebow would fall pretty far down on the list of available QBs. 

RobertSmith
RobertSmith

Tebow would  not be worse than Gabbert, but he will never be a quality NFL QB.   There are three dozen backups I would try before I was desperate enough for Tebow.

SoCalJagsFan
SoCalJagsFan

@Cliff4 ah, so you're the moron whose plane we should light on fire. Noted!

MikeStuhlmann
MikeStuhlmann

@Victor_Newman  Yes The Jets saw nothing in a QB that whooped them on the field .. And it shows in there performance ..... I'm not sure anyone could overcome 5 games of a kyle orton  and take there team on to a playoff WIN, other than Tebow himself  ... Terrell Suggs thinks Tebow is a Joke , Enough Said ..

Big_Toaster13
Big_Toaster13

@Victor_Newman 

It's not really a discussion of whether or not Tebow can play. He played awful in the preseason and deserved to be cut. The question here is whether or not to increase the Jags' entertainment value.

MikeStuhlmann
MikeStuhlmann

@esgalan2 He gave them a chance ,, Have you ever seen Kyle Orton tackle himself ?? I am a Denver fan  ... I can think of three times that the grass on the field reached up and nabbed him up  ... 3 and outs where very common under Orton .. The Tebow grind game ate up a lot of clock ,  the defense did not just " GET BETTER"  . They got some rest . They had some hope . The whole team got better . This is what good players do for there team .

SoCalJagsFan
SoCalJagsFan

@esgalan2 you win this entire post. Regardless of what the fanatics will respond to you, you have won this post by a landslide. SAY NO TO TEBOW.

Jean
Jean

@esgalan2 Is this what you do when sitting on the s hitter??

Big_Toaster13
Big_Toaster13

@esgalan2 

I think you're missing the point here but allow me to address your comment.

First, you're correct about the Broncos being close in 3 of their 4 losses with Orton. But what you're missing is the fact that the Broncos were 6-21 in Orton's last 27 starts, including their first 5 games. That's pretty close to hopeless.

Again, you are correct about the ppg dropping from 21 to 18.5. But you fail to mention a few other important factors that improved. 

YPG increased by 18.9 yds. 1st downs increased slightly, 18.8 to 19.0. Turnovers dropped from 2.4 pg to 1.6. Under Orton, the Broncos lost the TOP battle by an average of 6 and a half minutes. With Tebow, that gap closed to just 28 seconds. That goes a long way in helping a defense.

Yes, the overall quality of the teams each QB faced dropped a bit, but you can only play the teams that are on the schedule. Moore was in his 2nd start, but he replaced Henne. That's an upgrade. Palmer was new, sure, but that was more beneficial to the defense.  Hanie was in for Cutler. Urlacher, Briggs, Peppers and Tillman were still playing.

It isn't the first time a team got in with a .500 record. And you're right, 8-8 is not impressive. However, a 2nd year QB going 7-4 with only 3 prior starts is nothing to scoff at. He was also 3-1 against division opponents. He beat the Raiders and Chargers on the road. Orton lost to both at home.

I won't talk about the Pitt game, so let's talk about the Pats. Brady went 80 yards in 5 plays to open the game. Tebow's 1st 3-n-out came in the 2nd, down 14-7. They were at their own 5, McCoy called 3 run plays. Punt. 8 plays later, 21-7. They exchange 3-n-outs. Denver gets it at their own 11. Drive stalls after a couple 1st downs, they punt. 2 plays later, Brady hits a 61 yard bomb. 28-7. Tebow's 2nd 3-n-out, Colquitt's punt travels 33 yards. It takes Brady 1 minute to go 52 yards on 5 plays. 35-7. Halftime.

Don't get me wrong, Tebow played poorly. But the defense deserves the same amount of criticism, if not more. They were the butter to Brady's hot knife.

Orton was averaging 199.2 yds of total offense. Tebow averaged 206.6. The run game, exluding Tebow, averaged 91.0 ypg, 4.3 ypc. That jumped to 136.4 ypg, 4.8 ypc. Again, that's not including Tebow. McGahee's ypg went from 76.8 to 81.5 and his average went from 4.5 to 5.0. That's not exactly getting worse.

The Broncos averaged 201.8 yards passing and 101.8 rushing with Orton. With Tebow, they averaged 193.0 yards rushing and 129.5 passing, essentially swapping the pass and run. The 2.5 drop in scoring can be partially attributed to McCoy's ultra conservative play calling.

His coaches and teammates do not discount his leadership and work ethic. That is the one thing about Tebow that hasn't been debated. Unless you're Merril Hoge...

TyKerst
TyKerst

@esgalan2  I have read it all before. Defense just happened  to get better. Tebow did nothing just on the field when it happened. Steelers werent good anyway. 

Facts are that with Tebow under center Broncos went to the playoff and won a game in the playoffs. 

Tebow was on the field and whether he helped or not. Fact is he got the wins. Its not always pretty but A W IS A W. 

I forgive you and I hope you ask for forgiveness as well. 

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@Freida C Tebow is not a cure all or a band-aid. but he is a step in the right direction and something you can build a team around. They are plenty of teams who had the stats and still sucks. What Tebow brings is bigger than stats. He brings something that players can rally behind. You can't measure that with a clipboard, other than putting "Ws" in their Win/Loss column. What he does is make others better.

SoCalJagsFan
SoCalJagsFan

@Freida C except for when he plays the Patriots in the playoffs, or his last 3 regular season games with the Broncos, or with the Patriots in the pre season. But no, you're right, he's a "winner".

Fifilo
Fifilo

@Freida CThe NFL will accept walking piles of garbage line Big Ben because they can play. Tebow is just not NFL quality.

SoCalJagsFan
SoCalJagsFan

@dfarr did he win in that game against the Patriots during the playoffs?

friendly--neighborhood--scrawler
friendly--neighborhood--scrawler

@Diesel_31

No not a racist , its reality in America blacks still don't get a even shake one reason, skin color and for you to deny that,  the problem is with you !!! 

not me !!!

Go youtube / news or any other social site, Click on video / images with blacks, doing good or bad, now i want you to count how many comments pass before race is an issue, then do the same with Whites and count how long it takes before the person's race is mentioned, Its almost 2014 and its people like you...  keeping the hate alive.

I cannot stand Tebow because he stands for nothing that is not marketed or carefully orchestrated for saps to slurp up,  if Tebow was Black i would NOT have to put up with seeing him or his crap on TV because he would not be getting all those changes to play QB in the NFL and all the Media face time he does for essentially doing nothing. The Jordan in his prime media i see huddled around Tebow, for what?

MikeStuhlmann
MikeStuhlmann

@Vicious023 IS Cttler better 8 years in with 0 playoff games under his belt , on 2 great teams ?? Please say yes and enjoy watching the bears

Rax
Rax

@Sulkaman They had a promotion with Bud Light for a limited number of seats. They have had the same promotion with Bud Light for previous games and nobody said anything.

MikeStuhlmann
MikeStuhlmann

@RobertSmith  Is cuttler better 8 years in with 0 playoff games under his belt on 2 great teams ???? Please say yes enjoy your kool aid and bears

DanaBunner
DanaBunner

@RobertSmith Also note that in 5 of Tebow's 8 career wins as a starter, his team scored less than 20 points.  I.e. those were games won by his team's defense, not by Tebow leading an effective offense.   Yes he did lead the Broncos to a playoff win over the Steelers.  But take a look at his last 3 starts outside of that game.  Lost 14-40 to Buffalo, Tebow throws 3 INTs.  Lost 3-7 To KC, he was 6-22 for 60 yards, lost 10-45 to New England, he was 9-26.  

kj4027
kj4027

@RobertSmith Tebow played parts of 2 seasons for the Broncos. All the other QB's you mentioned were starters for 4+ years with the exception of Moore. Bad analysis.

DavidHarris1
DavidHarris1

@Big_Toaster13 @Victor_Newman Tebow didn't play awful. Tebow, a successful starting QB in Denver, just learned his fourth offense in 4 years and by his 3rd preseason game he was ready to go. Tebow played only the second half of the game against the Giants and threw 6 of 11 for 2 TDs and one interception and rushed for 30 yards on 6 carries for a comeback win. That's an above average performance for any QB because he scored so often per pass attempt. And he did it behind an offensive line that couldn't block a 3 man rush. Tebow is ready and needs to start somewhere. I hope it's somewhere other than Jacksonville. Tebow’s final stat line: 6/11, 91 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, QB rating: 83.7

Tebow-Top Five Plays

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top-5-catches/0ap2000000236358/Best-preseason-plays

http://www.tebowzone.net/2013/08/every-single-snap-of-tim-tebows-preseason-finale/ 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000236341/Pre-Week-4-Giants-vs-Patriots-highlights 

DavidHarris1
DavidHarris1

@★¸•*¸.•*´¸.¤˜¨¨¯¯¨¨˜“☆¨¨˜”★ @esgalan2 Tebow threw only 9 interceptions in his first 15 starts. This means the defense got good field position even when they went 3 and out. He didn't turn the ball over as much as Orton and that helped the defense in stopping the other team from scoring. http://intentionalgroundingblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/tebow-stats-graphic.png 

As one writer put it. "Tim Tebow actually has numbers backing up his desire to play By Hays Carlyon (TU-2) April 30, 2013 - 11:32pm

If a quarterback is throwing a touchdown every 21 attempts and an interception every 40, that sounds pretty good to me. Especially, if the quarterback is 25." 

Big_Toaster13
Big_Toaster13

@esgalan2 

But as I mentioned at the top, you're missing the point. The Jags are going 0-16 barring a miracle (Oh, snap! See what I did there?). Why not sign Tebow? No matter your opinion on the guy, most folks would find watching Tebow, win or lose, more entertaining than watching Gabbert and Henne lose.

MikeStuhlmann
MikeStuhlmann

@SoCalJagsFan @dfarr  Do you think Cutler 8 years in , on two great teams , with zero playoff appearances for his ENTIRE career  is better ? I hope you say yes ,, and have fun watching your Bears .

DanaBunner
DanaBunner

@kj4027 @Vicious023 No, it is likely that several are better.  For in the best case scenario for Tebow, he would be the very best of those available.  There is no evidence that NFL teams consider him the very best remaining option.  For example, when Green Bay released Vince Young, Tebow was available.  Instead they signed Seneca Wallace, who was retired.  And then they signed Scott Tolzien to their practice squad.  They didn't even talk to Tebow.

MikeStuhlmann
MikeStuhlmann

@DanaBunner @RobertSmith  Please tell me that jay cuttlers 8 years with 0 playoff games under his belt on 2 great teams makes him a better qb and enjoy watching the bears with your kool aid