Posted September 13, 2013

Watch: Should Jets’ Nick Mangold be fined for hit on Patriots’ Aqib Talib?

AFC East, New England Patriots, New York Jets
A fiery Bill Belichick was not pleased with Nick Mangold's hit on Aqib Talib.

A fiery Bill Belichick was not pleased with Nick Mangold’s late hit on Aqib Talib. (Jim Rogash/Getty Images)

The Patriots’ sloppy, rain-soaked 13-10 win over the Jets on Thursday night nearly spiraled out of control in the closing seconds. With 48 seconds left and the Jets trailing by three, New England’s Aqib Talib picked off a Geno Smith pass. After a short return, Talib juked his way out of bounds, where he was hit low by New York’s Nick Mangold.

Talib did not appear to be injured on the play, but the Patriots’ sideline definitely took exception to the questionable tackle. That touched off a brief fight, which resulted in the ejections of Jets linemen Willie Colon (making contact with an official) and D’Brickshaw Ferguson (throwing a punch).
 Mangold later defended his play, according to the Star-Ledger:

“I didn’t do anything,” Mangold said. “I made the tackle. He was along the sideline. I obviously could not play defense in this league because I thought he was still in bounds, so I tried to make a tackle.”

Mangold also added that Patriots coach Bill Belichick yelled at him after the hit, as part of the resulting scrap along the sideline.

“He got heated about it,” Mangold said. “I was a little surprised by that. I figured he’d have a little bit more poise. But it’s obviously an intense game, intense rivalry and tempers flare. I’m not really sure (what Belichick said). I didn’t catch it.”

While Colon and Ferguson figure to be fined for their actions, Mangold could be hearing from the league as well. The Lions’ Ndamukong Suh was fined $100,000 this week for a low block he delivered on Minnesota’s John Sullivan following an interception. Mangold was in a different spot on this play — trying to tackle the player who made the INT as opposed to blocking for him — but the nature of his hit and the resulting flag may lead to supplemental discipline.

Free-agent defensive end Lawrence Jackson, who played with Suh in Detroit from 2010-12, had this to say on Twitter after Mangold’s tackle:

Mangold does not have a history of run-ins like this, as Suh does. So even if the NFL opts to fine him, odds are that his punishment would not even be in the same ballpark as that $100K hit Suh took.

The Jets next take the field on Sept. 22 against the Bills. Any forthcoming discipline from the league likely will not be handed down until at least Monday.

50 comments
keithb01
keithb01

Timing or not, it clearly is a blatant attempt to hit knees/ankle level which should NEVER be allowed. Otherwise we will have Receivers with broken legs/ankles/knees on a weekly basis. I would guarantee he will get some type of feedback on his actions. I won't even get into the onfield fighting that resulted, especially the pushing of Ref's (should never ever be allowed in the NFL - PERIOD!), nobody has the right to be physical to them for just doing their jobs.

Mark20
Mark20

If Matthews got fined Mangold should as well.

x72
x72

Belichick just got arrested for mopery.

frankelee
frankelee

I would be amazed in Mangold got fined for that. Talib was tiptoeing around the sideline draining time, I don't have a problem with that, but if you're holding the football in bounds, the other team is allowed to dive tackle you. Period. When he saw Mangold coming for him he pirouetted out of bounds, but Mangold had already started to launch himself at an in-bounds ball carrier who showed no immediate intention of going out of bounds. It shouldn't have even been a flag.

Ericfollowedbyanumber
Ericfollowedbyanumber

Ask yourself this: If Suh had made that hit, would you think a fine was warranted? If you say yes, then there should be a fine. At some point you have to ask what happened rather than only who did it.

pizzadiscman
pizzadiscman

it's talib's own fault -- what the frig was he doing dancing around like that.  Hit the deck or get ob and stop diddling around

hhuntercali
hhuntercali

It's called field awareness. see that big three foot white line coming up. that lets you know it's out of bounds. putting your head down and diving low is no excuse. the guy admits it himself. he doesn't know what a good tackle is, that's why he plays offense. if player safety means anything at all he will be fined.

x72
x72

Belichick should be fined for looking like a homeless person.

swidt
swidt

STFU.  When Mangold starts to tackle, Talib is crouched low and is in bounds (and had just made the last tackler miss by stopping on a dime and turning back the other way).  The only reason this hit is low or out of bounds is because Talib inexplicably turns hops up in the air, turns around, and jumps out of bounds at the last second.  -If Talib doesn't wait until the last second, jump up, and turn his back to go out of bounds, this hit is neither low, in the back, or out of bounds.

CobyPreimesberger
CobyPreimesberger

i think Mangold will be fined and that Ferguson and Colon will likely both be fined and suspended a game which would end fergusaons streak of playing every game since being drafted, as Fregusaon is going to be suspended because he took a swing and then also Colon the big no-no of touching an offical.  I do think though that Mangold likely won't get much of a fine because I do grant talib if he goes out of bounds and doesn't spin the situation at the end of the game doesn't happen

SteveCowan
SteveCowan

Sorry, to my eyes he's starting to spring to tackle as the guy steps out, and if the runner hadn't stopped and turned, the tackle would have be in-bound and legal.  Gotta give him the right to attempt the tackle.  Blame goes both ways in this play to me.

WHO*IS*ESPN
WHO*IS*ESPN

I think we all agree NO player should be targeted like that.....unless he is wearing a Heat jersey and his last name is James or Wade !!!

Richard--Ramirez
Richard--Ramirez

Still waiting on that bum Clay Matthews' fine/suspension.

IndependentsDay
IndependentsDay

The problem is not that he hit him out of bounds, it is that he went for the knees.  He made no attempt to wrap him up.  He was going for the low blow.  

danboz11
danboz11

Mangold, a class act player that has very little experience tackling.  Why does everything go straight to fines now?  You can't compare this and the Suh situation.

NoQNoSuperBowl
NoQNoSuperBowl

is the writer suggesting that every time there is a penalty involving a late hit there should be a fine? Is that what we've come to in football?

DamienW
DamienW

It looks to me like Mangold tried to tackle him inbounds and as he dives, Talib dances out of bounds. I don't even think there should be a penalty on this play until the shoving of the ref and pushing in the scrum.

Talib certainly seems to feel the same way.

jussssstme
jussssstme

@frankelee I totally agree, I slowed it down to 1/15th speed and Mangold, not the most grace in the world had already lauched/fell into the leap.  

Talib should have gone out of bounds immediately.

Would have been contributory negligence should Mangold have accidentally injured him.  

jussssstme
jussssstme

@hhuntercali so, if Talib is running down the sideline a player is supposed to assume that he is going out of bounds?


Mark20
Mark20

@x72 He could buy and sell you 100X. Three rings, lots of records. Chump.

pval
pval

@x72 yeah, homeless are such a disgrace ! the way they they dress ! hurts the eyes ! my oh my, I almost faint when I see people dresssed like that !! 

go F yourself somewhere else you little poof ..

ltwong.us
ltwong.us

@swidt Dude, look at the film from another angle. Mangold was right next to him and dove down at his knees. Not cool.

WHO*IS*ESPN
WHO*IS*ESPN

@danboz11 I kinda think he has been around long enough to know NOT to go for the knees, being a lineman himself so that doesn't work

ltwong.us
ltwong.us

@DamienW Wasn't trying to wrap, head angled down at ankles. It was a dirty hit out of bounds - no sugar coating this. I don't think this is typical of Mangold to do something like this - he is not know as a dirty player, but it was an emotional and frustrating game for both team and I think that last pick got to him.

cyranojoe
cyranojoe

@DamienW I agree with you.  Mangold's in the air before Talib sets foot out of bounds.  It's a little late and a dollar short, and probably a bit low for the knees, but... man, I've seen so much worse.  We all have.  And I promise you all I'm no Patriots apologist!

WHO*IS*ESPN
WHO*IS*ESPN

@DamienW If going for the knees BEHIND a guy is what you call tackling, then take a lesson in football

ltwong.us
ltwong.us

@jussssstme @frankelee Nonsense, Mangold launched just after Aquib stepped out of bounds. Mangold never stopped even after Aquib stepped out and turned his back to him. Frankly, Aquib should have simply gone down and allowed the clock to run down.

x72
x72

@pval @x72 Touched a nerve, sorry your family is homeless. Get a job and lay off the crack and things might just start to get better.

Doug1
Doug1

@ltwong.us @swidt When Mangold started his dive to tackle Talib, Talib was still in bounds.  Big guys can take a while to fall.  I don't even think it should have been a penalty!

JamesMartens
JamesMartens

@WHO*IS*ESPN @danboz11 There is no rule that you cant tackle at the knees except for QB's in the pocket.  There is a rule that you cant go high into the head.  Unless of course you are tackling Tom (im a girl) Brady and then there is a 6 inch band around the waist that you can hit him and he wont cry for a flag.

JVP3122
JVP3122

@WHO*IS*ESPN @danboz11 But he wasn't going for the knees.  He was going for his midsection and with Talib moving out of bounds Mangold's momentum carried him further down and he ended up landing on Talib's knees.  Don't be ridiculous.

jussssstme
jussssstme

@ltwong.us @DamienW So, you're saying that Mangold intentionally launched himself like that to harm Talib?  

Would imagine he could inflict more harm by standing upright and plowing into the showboating Talib.  

I would imagine you are a Pats fan huh?


frankelee
frankelee

@WHO*IS*ESPN @DamienW I like how your comment doesn't even make sense, or pretend to be worried about grammar, but you're shooting to mock other people's knowledge compared to yours. Yikes you're a dimwit.

JamesMartens
JamesMartens

@ltwong.us @JamesMartens @swidt The point was it is a penalty and automatic fine to hit high and in the head. They are making rules forcing low hits.  And as for aiming for the knees...he is supposed to take into account that Talib was going to go all ballerina on him and jump and pivot?

ltwong.us
ltwong.us

@JamesMartens @ltwong.us @swidt Actually players would rather take a high shot than to have their knees blown out. Not sure I would agree with that, but that is the consensus. Look, I don't think Mangold is a dirty player, he is an elite O-Lineman, and not known to be a dirty player. But in this one instance, he let his frustration get the better of him, it was a cheap shot, no question about it. head down way below the players waist, no attempt at wrapping up. It looked to most any objective observer to be an attempt at getting Aqib in the knees. Mangold might not want to admit it and it appears that some people are determined to defend him, but it was a cheap shot that Mangold himself would not want to be done to him.

JamesMartens
JamesMartens

@ltwong.us @JamesMartens @WHO*IS*ESPN @danboz11 Dude, when did we start talking about Smith? The thread is on Mangold who chose to go lower than the head to avoid being fined. Not his fault that Talib is a ballerina who pirouetted to try to get out of bounds.


ltwong.us
ltwong.us

@JamesMartens @WHO*IS*ESPN @danboz11 Dude, do you really think Chandler Jones hit Smith in the head? He hit him in the chest and was flagged for roughing the QB, it added 15 yards to the drive that ultimately led to a score. These rules apply to all QB's so stop whining.

ltwong.us
ltwong.us

@JVP3122 @ltwong.us @WHO*IS*ESPN @danboz11 Not trying to wrap, head angled down at ankles. No way he was looking to tackle him by the waist, and his explanation about not being a defensive player is lame, he is an elite offensive lineman. In truth, I was surprised that Mangold would do this, I don't think he is a dirty player, but clearly this was a dirty play by a frustrated player. 

JVP3122
JVP3122

@ltwong.us @JVP3122 @WHO*IS*ESPN @danboz11 You need to get the prescription upped on your glasses, there, guy.  Mangold was clearly going for Talib's waist, and as Talib moved Mangold's fat behind kept on tumbling down.  Take your Pats blinders off