Posted February 26, 2013

2013 NFL Draft offense position rankings, post-combine

NFL Draft, Scouting Combine
Landry Jones is expected to be a Day 2 pick. (Joe Robbins/Getty Images)

Landry Jones is expected to be a Day 2 pick. (Joe Robbins/Getty Images)

The 2013 NFL Draft scouting combine wrapped on Tuesday, with defensive backs taking the field for workouts. The latest SI.com Big Board is coming Friday, with a closer look at where things stands a couple months out from the draft, now that we’ve see what went down in Indy.

In the meantime, the combine numbers made it a little easier (at most spots) to pick out this year’s top prospects — so what follows is a top-five ranking for each offensive positions, with guards/center lumped together in one group. Also included: a quick look at a few players outside the top fives who either helped or hurt their draft stock in Indianapolis. You can find the defensive rankings here.

Quarterback

1. Geno Smith, West Virginia
2. Matt Barkley, USC
3. Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
4. Tyler Bray, Tennessee
5. Mike Glennon, N.C. State

Even without participating at the combine, Barkley remained one of the top prospects here because no other QB really grabbed the torch in Indianapolis. Bray received the biggest combine boost, thanks to an added 20-plus pounds of muscle. All in all, a disappointing performance from this group.

Rising: Landry Jones, Oklahoma

You can go ahead and ignore the 5.11 Jones put up in the 40 — he’s not going to fool anyone into thinking he’s Colin Kaepernick. He was solid in passing drills, though, which is enough to give him a little bump.

Falling: E.J. Manuel, Florida State

It’s not necessarily that Manuel did anything to hurt his draft stock at the combine. But his game tape is extremely inconsistent, so he had an opportunity to blow the field away with athleticism. Manuel had the group’s best vertical and was neck-and-neck with Smith elsewhere, but you’d be hard-pressed to find anyone who was overly wowed.

Running backs

1. Eddie Lacy, Alabama
2. Giovani Bernard, North Carolina
3. Andre Ellington, Clemson
4. Johnathan Franklin, UCLA
5. Stepfan Taylor, Stanford

Minimal movement here. All the best (and worst) performances out of this group at the combine came from guys further down the board. One thing that was proven again in Indy: This RB class is pretty deep, which could drive down values at the top.

Rising: Knile Davis, Arkansas

Davis’ college career was hindered greatly by an injury suffered following a 1,300-yard 2010 season. He missed all of 2011, then had minimal impact in 2012. He looked healthy this weekend, though, posting an impressive 31 bench press reps (225 pounds) and running a 4.37 40.

Falling: Joseph Randle, Oklahoma State

Just kind of a tough week for Randle. He was relatively slow in the 40 at 4.63, then had to sit out pass-catching drills (and the bench press) because of a thumb injury. Randle remains a top seven or eight RB in this draft for now, but he will need a good Pro Day.

Wide receivers

1. Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee
2. Keenan Allen, California
3. Tavon Austin, West Virginia
4. DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson
5. Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech

With Allen not working out due to an injury, Patterson seemed to cement his spot as the draft’s No. 1 receiver — his 37-inch vertical was fifth-best among receivers and his 4.42 40 sixth-best. Austin’s 4.34 40 time could catapult him into Round 1.

Rising: Stedman Bailey, West Virginia

There’s a good buzz surrounding Austin’s teammate right now, mainly because he continues to show that he’s a pretty polished route-runner. The NFL Network’s Mike Mayock talked him up during a combine Q-and-A press conference, saying he’d be surprised if Bailey lasts beyond Round 3.

Falling: Denard Robinson, Michigan

This is a similar case to Manuel with the quarterbacks. Robinson displayed that he’s improved as a pass catcher, even from the Senior Bowl. But he remains a substantial work in progress, and he failed to really jump into the elite group in terms of speed (4.43 40).

Tight ends

1. Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
2. Zach Ertz, Stanford
3. Travis Kelce, Cincinnati
4. Gavin Escobar, San Diego State
5. Vance McDonald, Rice

Eifert and Ertz entered the week as options 1 and 1a at this position. Eifert simply bested Ertz in just about every workout, save the bench press. His 40 time, vertical jump, broad jump, three-cone drill and shuttle times all topped Ertz’s marks.

Rising: Chris Gragg, Arkansas. Gragg had just 29 catches in 2012 and, at 6-foot-2, measured in as one of the smallest tight ends at the combine. However, his 4.51 40 and impressive showing in pass-catching drills will open some eyes.

Falling: D.C. Jefferson, Rutgers. Bad break here for a guy trying to climb the board. Jefferson injured his pectoral muscle during the bench press, finishing with just three lifts … and putting his status going forward in question.

Offensive tackles

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
2. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
3. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
4. D.J. Fluker, Alabama
5. Menelik Watson, Florida State

The gap between Joeckel and Fisher might be gone — multiple mock drafts now have Fisher as the No. 1 overall pick. There’s still a pretty big drop-off after Johnson, too, especially after he was one of the combine’s stars.

Rising: Terron Armstead, Arkansas Pine-Bluff. The obvious choice here. Armstead came in at 6-4, 306; raised 31 on the bench press; then went out and ran a 4.71 40, one hundredth of a second better than Johnson, a former high school quarterback.

Falling: Oday Aboushi, Virginia. I’ve been skeptical of Aboushi to this point anyway, and the combine didn’t help much. He has the size you want in a tackle at 6-5, 308, but he ran a 5.45 40 and did just 17 bench reps. That’s a mix of lacking quickness and questionable power.

Guards/centers

1. Chance Warmack, Alabama
2. Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina
3. Larry Warford, Kentucky
4. Kyle Long, Oregon
5. Barrett Jones, Alabama

The tendency is to overreact to Warmack’s 5.49 40, which was 0.42 slower than Cooper’s time. A guard’s 40 time is fairly unimportant, though, and Warmack is as powerful at the point of attack as anyone you’ll see. One element to note here: Jones, a versatile guy who played all over Alabama’s line, is sliding in the minds of some scouts.

Rising: Brian Schwenke, California. Sort of the opposite of Aboushi (and, again, with the acknowledgement that 40 time is not as important as how quick a lineman plays in tight space) — Schwenke put up a 4.99 40 and 31 bench press reps. He’s a pretty decent athlete for 6-3, 314.

Falling: Brian Winters, Kent State. Winters has a shot to be a top-100 pick and possibly a top-five guard when April rolls around. But he did just nine bench reps, saying his pec cramped, meaning that he’ll need to bounce back at his Pro Day.

43 comments
Tacokorea
Tacokorea

I'm new to this particular site, however, I would like to say that this may not be best years in recent memory for quarterbacks. I've only seen a few of them and I do like Landry Jones (Oklahoma).  Again, I'm not really up on most of the players coming out in this draft.

John D1
John D1

No Ball at running back?  Not even a falling mention???  WTF???

Evan5
Evan5

So if I understand this,  Cordarrelle Patterson is the top receiver available and runs a 4.42 40 time but Denard Robinson is not in his elite group because he ran a 4.43?  One one hundreth of a second is the difference?  My guess is if they ran together it looks like a dead heat, one that you can not fit a football into.

CraigWachs
CraigWachs

this having a combine is stupid, if im a top collage player coming out im asking for 6 figures to play there little show an tell game.. plus insurance... lookee here these coaches are getting well paid to watch film .. thats good enough ..and then theres pro days .. come on pay me already

stabmasterarson21
stabmasterarson21

Matt Barkley, LOL.  LOL @ that QB list!  I'd take a flier on Geno Smith, not a first-round pick though.

RayHuggyBearYoung
RayHuggyBearYoung

I love football.  I love reading about football 365 days a year.  But it astounds me.  Astounds every part of me that GMs and coaches care about the combine raising athletes in the draft.  I want the combine to get all the numbers but game film should mean 95% of why you draft a kid not the combine.  The other 5%?  Personality.

pandah462
pandah462

Can all this insanity about Mike Glennon please stop?  Is there something I'm missing?  Does he have some dirt on every football writer in America?  Is the rest of the 2013 QB crop really that bad?  I've seen enough of his film to know that I wouldn't even want to handicap my biggest enemy's team with him as their QB.

Rickapolis
Rickapolis

ESPN may do better to reshow last year's draft than show this year's. Looks like a boring affair.

dreynolds48941
dreynolds48941

 @Tacokorea As someone who is following this draft, I can tell you the QB position is very weak.  None of the players in this draft project as franchise QBs.  Geno Smith is a developmental prospect with a lot of upside,  Nassib, Wilson, and Barkley are potential starters/journeymen with limited upside, and Glennon and Manuel are mediocre developmental QBs.  Colby Cameron in the late rounds might be the best value pick of the bunch.

dreynolds48941
dreynolds48941

 @John D1 He doesn't have starter potential and he isn't a good enough receiver or blocker to make it as a 3rd down back.  He didn't do anything at the combine to raise his stock and he certainly isn't one of the top 5 rbs in the draft.

ClemsonFan
ClemsonFan

 @Evan5

 That's because Robinson is not a wide receiver and therefore probably cannot run routes like Patterson. However, if they were both competing for a QB posititon, Patterson would probably need to run a 2.5 40 to be considered. LOL. I am with you. They should have left speed off of Robinson's description, because he clearly has the speed as other top wide receivers. Why not write what everyone knows, Robinson is trying to learn a new position in the NFL and therefore lacks experience.

ash4tigers
ash4tigers

 @Evan5 Robinson is not as polished as Patterson even though the great speed is there-patterson should provide an immediate impact and robinson may take a bit longer to succeed.

John4
John4

 @Evan5 How about one is experienced in running routes and one is not?  How about one IS a Wide Receiver and one hopes to BECOME a Wide Receiver after playing QB in college?  How about being successful at WR requires more than just speed?  

Do you really think that running a 4.42 or 4.43 is all that is needed?  You cannot be serious.

John D1
John D1

 @CraigWachs That attitude, alone, would cost you millions of dollars.  You would be tagged as a "problem" and, regardless of your tapes, your draft position would fall.

RayIsBipolar
RayIsBipolar

@RayHuggyBearYoung The media makes it out to be a huge event like GM's boards are being switched around dramatically after the guys workout in spandex. Most teams boards are set to the point of them knowing who they will and won't target. most of this garbage is just for the fans to stay interested, this is why the NFL is king.

gwe59
gwe59

 @pandah462 Agree.  Same is true for Tyler Bray who, in a decent year, would be undrafted.  No chance he produces in the NFL.  Nassib may surprise some people, though.  He, Smith, and Barkley could be pretty good backups.  

stabmasterarson21
stabmasterarson21

 @pandah462 That whole QB list has BUST written all over it, except for Smith who I think has some potential, esp if he's taken in the 2nd or 3rd, to not be a bust!

dreynolds48941
dreynolds48941

 @pandah462 The rest of this QB class is really bad.  I would rank EJ Manuel ahead of Glennon, but even Manuel is just a developmental guy.  There probably isn't a franchise QB in this draft.  There is a huge drop off after Geno Smith and even he would only be a very borderline 1st rounder in most drafts.  Colby Cameron might be a late round sleeper, however. 

57mb
57mb

 @pandah462 Mike Glennon is 6'7". Enough said. That's all the scouts can see. He beat out the 5'11" Russell Wilson at NC State. They're not even in the same league. Doesn't help to see over the line if you can't throw the ball accurately.

Evan5
Evan5

 @John4 "Patterson seemed to cement his spot as the draft’s No. 1 receiver — his 37-inch vertical was fifth-best among receivers and his 4.42 40 sixth-best.

 

"(Denard Robinson) failed to really jump into the elite group in terms of speed (4.43 40)".

 

I know morons like to try and flame people all the time because it makes them feel smart, but I was really just making a comment on these two phrases.   It doesn't make any sense how 4.43 keeps you from the elite group, when the top guy cemented the top spot with a 4.42.  Because clearly a 4.43 is really the same thing.  I just find it amusing how big a deal people make of hundredths of a second.

 

And yes I understand there is more to it than just speed.  

gwe59
gwe59

 @RayIsBipolar  @RayHuggyBearYoung Saw Bill Polian say the same thing this afternoon on ESPN.  It's kind of a sideshow.  Is Barrett Jones, an All-American at 3 o-line positions for 2 national championship running teams, sliding on draft boards because of anything at the combine?  No way.  

pandah462
pandah462

 @gwe59 Good call.  I'm interested to see who takes a shot at Nassib and Asplin (sp?) from Ark St.

pandah462
pandah462

 @stabmasterarson21 I don't disagree with the quality assessment here, but surely there has to be someone who is better than Glennon.  I've seen him play enough to know that he's terrible.  At best, he'll be a 3rd QB on a team with a stud starter.  He'll be a safety net's safety net.

Hotbite
Hotbite

 @57mb  @pandah462 If I'm not mistaken, Wilson couldn't make up his mind between a baseball career and football. Then NCSU coach O'Brien gave Wilson a deadline to make up his mind...and he didn't. So, understandably, O'Brien needed to move on without him. I don't believe Glennon actually beat out Wilson.

mempheel
mempheel

 @57mb  @pandah462  Laughable to suggest that Giraffe-neck Glennon "beat out" Russell Wilson at NCSU.  In reality, Tom "the Marine" O'Brien was peeved enough that he was forgoing spring practice for minor league baseball that he told Wilson to hit the road, which arguably cost him his job.  Glennon couldn't, can't, and won't ever hold Wilson's jock strap as a QB (college OR NFL)...

pandah462
pandah462

 @57mb He absolutely did not beat out Wilson.  Wilson left on his own because the coach was pushing him to make a choice between pro baseball and college football.

M as in Mancy
M as in Mancy

@57mb Glennon didn't beat out Wilson. Wilson went to spring training for the Colorado Rockies and the coach didn't see eye to eye. After spring training didn't work out, Wilson was granted a release and signed with Wisco. At best Glennon is an inaccurate version of Joe Flacco.

stabmasterarson21
stabmasterarson21

 @57mb  @pandah462 That is LAUGHABLE what you wrote, the whole thing.  Brees and Wilson proved that looking over the line is highly overrated.  Even guys at 6'7" has issues with that, hence Glennon's pedestrian stats at NC State.

John D1
John D1

 @John4  @Evan5 Thank God you finally caught on.  I thought he was going to have to explain his correctness, again.

John4
John4

 @Evan5   Evan5 - You're right.  You are clearly too intelligent for me.  Sorry I commented.  

casata
casata

 @Evan5  @John4   Sorry, Im a little slow.  Which one has 4.4 speed with 4.7 hands?

Evan5
Evan5

 @John4OK, I tried to give a nice explanation before about how it's funny how in one paragraph 4.42 was fast but two paragraphs later 4.43 was slow.  Here is the less nice one...I ALREADY UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS ABOUT DENARD ROBINSON.  SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE.  PLEASE STOP EXPLAINING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS.

 

John4
John4

 @Evan5 You're fixating on the 1/100th of a second.  Patterson is an NFL ready WR.  Robinson was a college QB.  Even though he is as fast as he will need to be, he lots to learn as a WR.  Robinson should be considered a project.  He will likely be drafted during rounds 5-7.  Even though the times were very very similar, and I agree, 1/100th of a second is inconsequential, Robinson is not where he needs to be in order to be an NFL WR.  Figure the learning curve (for Robinson) will be about 2 full seasons.  Until then, he will be relegated to 4th or 5th receiver, and will play special teams.  Patterson should be starting by the end of his rookie season.  Robinson will have to learn hot reads (note that he had trouble reading defenses as a college QB), he will have to learn how to adjust or alter his routes based on what defense he is facing,  he will have to learn how to run routes consistently.  Note that Robinson never ran NFL style routes for the very very short time he played WR at Michigan.  Patterson's 40 time showed that he had the necessary speed in order to be successful in the NFL.  Robinson's 40 time showed that he has completed one thing that receivers need to be able to do in order to play in the NFL.  

Do you really think the two players are similar developmentally because their 40 times are similar?  

stabmasterarson21
stabmasterarson21

 @pandah462 I'd take Landry Jones, as much of a non-fan of his skill set but he can pass, over Glennon.  The only guy who might be good is Geno Smith otherwise someone that's not high on the list.

JakeShaw
JakeShaw

 @stabmasterarson21  @57mb  @pandah462 You completely missed his point. He said scouts see the size and ignore the production. He said Glennon's ability to "see over the line" doesn't make up for his inability to accurately hit receivers.