Posted December 18, 2012

Tim Tebow’s future even murkier as Jets name Greg McElroy Week 16 starter

New York Jets
Tim Tebow has attempted just eight passes all season long. (Andy Lyons/Getty Images)

Tim Tebow has attempted just eight passes all season long. (Andy Lyons/Getty Images)

With nothing left to play for but pride, the New York Jets announced Tuesday that Greg McElroy will start against San Diego in Week 16, with Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow relegated to the bench.

And it’s looking more and more likely that McElroy is the only one of those three still with the Jets come 2013.

SI’s Peter King wrote earlier Tuesday about the decision the Jets now face on Sanchez — basically, is it worth saving a few million dollars to keep him around, even if his days as a starting QB are gone? But Rex Ryan’s decision to turn to McElroy for Sunday’s upcoming game further indicates that the Jets have no real plans to turn Tebow into a starter anytime soon.

The opportunities have been there, time and time again throughout this season, as Sanchez has struggled. Rather that give Tebow a legitimate shot, though, Ryan has stuck with Sanchez and used Tebow in random spots — as a blocker on punts, in short-yardage run plays, occasionally for a series as we saw Monday.

Never has Ryan seen enough value in Tebow’s performances (or been willing enough to commit to benching Sanchez) to make a meaningful switch at quarterback.

If there ever was a stress-free time to see what Tebow can do, this would be it. The Chargers, like the Jets, have been eliminated from playoff contention. The same goes for Buffalo, New York’s Week 17 foe. Aside from trying to finish the season .500 or avoid last place in the AFC East, New York’s main focus now should be on which figuring out which players should have roles in 2013.

By choosing McElroy over Tebow as a quarterback Plan B, the Jets are taking yet another stance on Tebow’s future.

Of course, there are financial issues at play with Tebow too. He’s due nearly $3 million next season and another $895,000 in 2014. Jets owner Woody Johnson said back in October that Tebow would stick with the team through the duration of his contract.

Has that approach changed now? Or would Tebow be a satisfactory backup, if someone other than Sanchez was the team’s starting QB?

The Jets have to answer those questions and make a call on Sanchez in the coming months. As McElroy readies for his first NFL start, though, it definitely looks as if New York is ready to wipe the slate clean at QB.

TROTTER: JETS MUST CUT TIES WITH SANCHEZ

82 comments
M as in Mancy
M as in Mancy

I hope Tebow is taking the time to work on his footwork, his throwing mechanics, and reading defenses. He has a tremendous work ethic, but so does almost EVERY other NFL player trying to make it in the sport with the shortest career expectancy. There are only 24 hours in a day and he can't spend all his time and energy in the weight room deadlifting volkswagens. When he fixes his QB related skills and showcases them in practice, the playing time will follow.

GarySchneider
GarySchneider

If I was Tim Tebow. I would push to be traded or released. His salary for the next two years is guaranteed anyways. There are currently 8 to 10 starting quarterbacks in the NFL who are not as talented as Tim. I would guess that there are about 4 teams who would gladly take Tim off of the Jets hands. Tim is a quarterback despite what the naysayers believe. I can see him coming back to New York in the future as quarterback for another team. That will be sweet revenge. Free Tebow!!

JasonMacBride
JasonMacBride

What's murky? His future is with a different team. 

esgalan2
esgalan2

Despite Ryan (many) flaws I don't believe he would pass up the opportunity  to play Tebow for the last two games if he thought Tebow could be the Jet's quarterback in the future.

 

My guess (just a guess) is that Tebow has made no progress on his throw accuracy and that the Jets simply don't see him as starting quarterback material (if they ever did).

 

Unless of course they go "all in" and build an entire offense around the triple option, as did the Broncos in a pinch.

 

Is that realistic ?

 

On Monday night it took two plays for Tenessee to adjust.

 

Entire SEASONS of  having Tebow being stuffed on the run because his receivers can't get good enough separation on single coverage so that their not-so-accurate- QB can feel comfortable with a throw ?

 

That would make for entertaining games : lots of unexpected bigs plays, lots of interceptions, roller coaster rides. But  a winning formula ?

 

And what happens if Tebow gets injured ? Because just as Tebow needs a tailored made offense, this kind of offense needs a QB that can really run !!! You get Vince Young out of retirement as n°2 QB ? (shudder).

 

Choosing Tebow might amount to  boxing your franchise into a style of play which, till now, never actually worked in the NFL.

 

Some Jets fans should be careful of  what they wish for.

 

As important :  the choice is not Tebow or not Tebow : it is Tebow...or someone else !

 

There is actually quite a lot of decent quarterbacks who emerged this year : how about hunting for one ?

 

I can name three at the top of my head  that might be attracted to a starting job, since they have no realistic  prospect of getting the starting job on their current team ( I don't follow the NFL closely enough to know the actual contratual status of these guys but bear with me )

 

- Alex Smith (will never stay in SF, afer being screwed up like he has been) : a proven quarterback who know how to run an balanced offense.

-Matt Flynn (got blocked by the meteoric rise of Wilson)  unproven but considered ready to be given a real shot.

- Cousins (this one a is gamble but he looked too good to stay in RG III shadow)

 

All three can play the position as "classic" quarterback. You don't have to trewrite your playbook for them.

 

I think the Jets will let Tebow go, and try to find a QB on the market. It not the popular choice , it the reasonable one.

 

 

 

bigjimbalto1
bigjimbalto1

Maybe they should send him to Baltimore. he may just be the answer they've been 'praying' for...:)

DERRICK1
DERRICK1

Not a big Tebow fan at all, but with that said.....he just got royally screwed by the Jets! He would've been better off going to Jacksonville where he would have been far more appreciated. It's going to be difficult for him to rebound especially if no one wants to take a chance on the circus that's going to follow him no matter where he ends up. But there are enough teams out there with serious quarterback issues that may use him to jumpstart their seasons next year.

thenetworkestate
thenetworkestate

OK my opinion of Rex Ryan is now this. He is a loud mouth bozo just like his father. He doesn't get it. If you bring a guy like Tebow in, and your starter plays poorly all year, everyone expects you to do the smart and sensible thing and play the backup with big potential. At least one game to see how he does. EVERYONE was saying, "Hey Rex, you know, Mark is realyl struggling. Isn't it really time to bring Tebow in?" And week after week Ryan does the opposite of what even lay NFL fans could see was necessary. OK... so even if Rex was right that Tebow is not the guy, and McElroy will be the guy, then for God's sakes play Tebow for the rest of the season so that you can trade him away next year for a few million dollars. You just paid $3 million for him. If you sit him on the bench behind a totally untested rookie then his stock plummets. Rex Ryan is just not a bright person, he doesn't have the foresight or sensibility to coach in the NFL. Get him out of there.

EddieBowman
EddieBowman

Disclaimer: I hate the Jets. Love the Gators, so I'm a Tebow fan. I watched Jets game to root for the other team whoever they may be, but at the 2 or 3 yard line, I wanted them to score with Tebow, because HE'S the one that can do it. But the STOOPID Jets refused to go with him TIME AND TIME AGAIN and call passing plays for Sanchez. Tebow can get them 2 or 3 yards. He's freaking 250 lbs!!!  It's insane! Woody Johnson must question his coaches intelligence on why they WON'T use Tebow on short yardage situations.

UleNotknow
UleNotknow

So Tebow is the #2 quarterback but Ryan puts in the #3 quarterback to start against the Chargers. Since that's been his plan all along, why wasn't McElroy listed as the #2 quarterback in the first place? Then his start would make at least a little bit of sense.

beast
beast

Ryan is afraid Tebow would do well and therefore prove he should've made the change weeks ago. Still, when Tebow is #2 he should at least get a chance to succeed. 

This is pathetic. If the owner has any brains whatsoever he would fire Ryan and the GM-ASAP! 

But why does it feel like Ryan will be back next year playing FOOTSIE? Ryan and Sanchez are tight. If Ryan stays and Sanchez stays at backup, Ryan will make him a starter again. 

Maxshade71
Maxshade71

Didnt Tebow choose to go to the Jets? If he really wanted to play he would have chosen Jacksonville. Tebows on the bench and he has no one to blame but himself...

rogerg
rogerg

Tebow doesn't need the NY Jets to be successful. It was obvious to even the casual observer that the Jets only acquired him for the PR, and they have done NOTHING with him for the entire year. I believe that TT will find his niche, and maybe that will include playing QB in the NFL. Whatever it is, he will do well because the Lord is with him. He stands as a beacon of faithfulness and loyalty that this world will never appreciate, and he knows that. Screw the NYJ!

Pares Hilton
Pares Hilton

I'm a little lazy to check the archives but whose decision was it anyway to bring Tebow to the Jets? The owner? The GM? The coach? All of them?

Seems like Rex Ryan wasn't on board with that idea. Otherwise, Tebow should have taken over already.

the beast
the beast

You guys destroyed Tim Tebow...His confidence shaken to the marrow he will never play in this league again.  Shame the F on you...

mcleah91
mcleah91

unfortunately ur ignorance to reality and blindness has caused you to totally miss what Tim Tebow did for the Denver Broncos last year.  In his *first full NFL season he took a 1-4 football team that was hopeless to beat the number one ranked team in the NFL last year in the playoffs .He threw for 316 yards, setting the franchise record for quarterback rating in a playoff game (125.6)and an NFL record for yards per completion (31.6) in a playoff game. .  He had 17 touchdowns and 6 interceptions in 2011 season.  Do you know what john elways stats were his rookie season........14 interceptions and 7 touchdowns..hmmmm Give credit where credit is due.  Stop creating excuses. The guy deserves a shot.  LAST TIME I CHECKED GUYS THAT CAN"T PLAY QUARTERBACK DONT THROW FOR 316 YARDS AND SET THE FRANCHISE RECORDS FOR QUARTERBACK IN A PLAYOFF GAME AGAINST THE NUMBER 1 RANKED DEFENSE. The guy brings it and finds a way to win.  And as for the Jets they are just as ignorant.  They must have dementia and forgot what Tebow did to them last year.  And as far as GMs and coaches opinions of Tebow go ask Mike Ditka or Tony Dungy or even former player Bill Romanowski what they think of him....."Appearing Friday morning on The Dan Patrick Show, Dungy said he believes the combination of leadership and athletic ability that Tebow has will make him an elite NFL quarterback — and more than make up for any questions about his throwing motion." Stop sticking your heads in the sand. Give the guy a chance

LocalYokel
LocalYokel

Ryan's only doing this because he's too lazy to put in an offense that Tebow can run, like the Broncos did with great success. He'll be gone next year and so will his ego.

pelan30
pelan30

 @esgalan2 Yes, and If Tebow has any sense he will not want to stay after being jerked around the way he has been.

unitcaptain11
unitcaptain11

 @thenetworkestate 

It's obvious Ryan never wanted Tebow and the Jets owner insisted, so Ryan was stuck with him.

 

There is nothing special about Tebow that makes him unique on the field..  There are plenty of guys who can run and throw better than he does.

pljaye
pljaye

Elway claims he had the choice of which team to join, but Tebow says otherwise.

 

Who would you believe, the player who has silently suffered through Ryan's senseless mind games while he's forced to sit on the bench behind the human turnover machine (Sanchez), all while graciously supporting his messed up coach and teammates, or the Bronco's exec who despised Tebow's success and popularity  and got rid of him at the first opportunity? Did I forget to mention that while Tebow silently suffers through the indignation of this abomination known as the New York Jets, Elway refused to sing with the team that drafted him and forced a trade to Denver.

 

It's no contest, I firmly believe that Elway DID NOT give Tebow a choice of which team to join, but merely kept him updated on the situation (Tebow's contention). Besides, do you honestly believe that any NFL team cares about giving a player the choice of which team he's traded to?

GarySchneider
GarySchneider

 @rogerg Tim knows as we do that his future in in the Lord's hands. The Lord always puts those he loves through the toughening procedure. Tim is becoming a man through all of this. And when the man comes back to New York quarterbacking another team. They better hunt a hole and hide. 

esgalan2
esgalan2

 @the beast  didn't you mean Sanchez ?  Way to put a mine under  your starting qb. Bringing on a guy everyone want to see get your job, and a humongous controversy to boot.  pulling you in an out of game so your rythm is disturbed...Benching during a game. Drastically limiting your passes attempts the next one the next;  etc..

 

Again last Monday : first time in the game when Sanchez hit to pass in a row  : here come Tebow ! playing several snaps in a row !! 

Not that they managed Tebow any better, BTW, leaving him after a penalty with a 3rd and 16 (mandatory pass) to play,  typically a situaiton where Sanchez might be the lesser of two evils. 

 

But Tebow can honestly say that he didn't play nearly enough this year to be judged by it .

So I don't see how his confidence should be in any way shaken. It's a lost year for him, not the end of all hopes.  Now his agent has some work to do to find a team willing to take a chance on him.

 

But Sanchez  !!! Talk about a QB whose confidence is "shaken to the marrow"  to the point where he might never start again !! This guy wasn't to shabby onlt two years ago. Inconssitent, but I've seen him playing well. How can a QB regresss like that ? 

 

its like a golfer having a terminal case of yips.

kenipe
kenipe

 @mcleah91

 Right on, Mcleah91.  He finds a way to win.  Dementia is right---what are the Jets thinking???!!! Can someone replay the video highlights of the Broncos-Steelers again.  Pay attention!

esgalan2
esgalan2

 @pelan30 That goes without saying.

 

I'm pretty sure they sold him something like "shared duties" with Sanchez having most of the playing time, but Tebow having regular opportunities to take snaps.

 

The Jets managed to deal unfairly with their two QBs at the same time. Gosh what a mess !

pelan30
pelan30

 @unitcaptain11  @thenetworkestate 

How can you really tell?   He hasn't had any opportunities this year to play for any sustained period of time.  Most qb's need to have enough playing time in order to grow and have consistent results.

pljaye
pljaye

Really? Thanks so much for that "expert" analysis. I guess there must also be "plenty" of second-year qbs who took over as the starter of a 1-4 team, a team which was 7-24 in its previous 31 games (that's not a typo) and led that team to an 8-5 record,. a division title and a playoff victory over the Steelers, all while throwing for over 300 yards, two touchdown passes, rushing for 50 yards, adding a rushing TD and setting Denver's ALL-TIME playoff passer rating record against the NFL's top-rated passing defense during that playoff win. Actually, do you know how many second-year qbs have done that? No, of course you don't, because statistics, you know--actual facts, just weaken your argument. So, I'll tell you exactly how many second-year qbs have EVER accomplished all of that--just one . . . Tebow!

 

Of course, perhaps it's just plain silly to reference facts when we can merely rely on your profound proclamation that "plenty" of guys can accomplish what Tebow has already managed to achieve during his short career, even though no one ever has during the NFL's lengthy history!

GarySchneider
GarySchneider

 @pljaye I agree with this. Tim went where he had to. And I am sure he was promised a lot more than he got. Tim Tebow would never lie about anything. 

esgalan2
esgalan2

 @pljaye 

I tend to agree with you. Probably a white lie from Elway who has probably to placate some Colorado nutjobs who send him hatemail for conspiring to "kill" Tebows career.

 

That being said, the fact remain that Elway, after a stellar player career showed great executive acumen by correctly evaluating Tebow limitations and pulling off the trade with a much much better QB : Manning.

 

Denver now looks like a contender, not just  the feelgood "cinderella team" story it was last year.

 

Besides,  he gave Tebow the opportuny to practise the Christian virtues you admire in him.

 

Saint Tebow Suffering Martyrdom in  the Land of the Evil-Sinners NYJETS !

 

isnt that inspirational or what ?

esgalan2
esgalan2

@kenipe@mcleah91

...and after that replay the ENTIRE footage of the following game : Broncos - Patriots .

 

And maybe, if you TRULY pay attention, you'll understand why the type of offense that Tebow plays can be an absolute death trap against well coached, properly prepared, disciplined teams.....

 

 

@mcleah91 since you seems knowledgeable about Tebow stats , can you give the ones he had in this Bronco-Pats games ?

 

So that we can all revel into Tebow's undisputed gigamongous awesomeness...

 

.

pljaye
pljaye

Ryan can just watch last season's game-winning, fourth-quarter, 95-yard touchdown drive that Tebow engineered against his very own Jets' squad if he can't remember what Tebow is capable of accomplishing on a football field.

 

In any event, good riddance to Ryan and the Jets--Tebow will land on his feet, and if any team is crazy enough to give Ryan another head-coaching gig (since he's bound to be fired by the Jets--SOON), Tebow will likely inflict another beat down on ole Rex! 

esgalan2
esgalan2

 @lynn.burgess.100  @LocalYokel  Did you have the chance watch  entire games of Tebow with Denver last year  (not just highlights) ? I am pretty sure you didn't otherwise you would not vouch for Tebow as a passing QB !

pelan30
pelan30

 @M as in Mancy  @pelan30  @unitcaptain11  @thenetworkestate I think y're right that draft status or college stats don't determine what will happen in the NFL.  In Tim's case, however, he did well last year espec.. considering it was basically his rookie year.  I would have liked to see what he would have done with more consistent playing time this season.

 

I frankly don't put a lot of stock in these coachs' evaluations or judgment such as their reluctance to pull Sanchez in earlier games and try the alternatives. 

M as in Mancy
M as in Mancy

 @pelan30  @unitcaptain11  @thenetworkestate

 One of the things I like about the NFL is that it's a meritocracy. Over time, the best players earn the right to play. And it's not that way because of morals or ethics, it's because of the insane amount of money involved and the very high coaching and player turnover every year leading to desperation. Being an owner/coach's kid, high draft status, or college legend doesn't mean that much to the NFL grinder without performance in games and practice.

 

Who's in a better position to evaluate the 3 QBs than the coaching staff who watch them everyday in practice? Maybe McIlroy is THAT good? And maybe they just don't trust Tebow with their 1986 Honda CRV of an offense.

 

esgalan2
esgalan2

 @yeah_right  @pljaye 

 

So  again, anyone who has not drunk the Kool Aid is a "basher" ?

 

 

Did Tebow improved a bad Broncos team ?  Sure ! I have NO problem saying that  ! Its true ! No question ! You can quote me on that ! I approve this ad ! etc. etc.

 

But summing it up by saying :

"the team won when he played and lost when he didn't"

is just going wayyyy overboard. " 

 

that "all he does is win " routine,  this endless hype , is precisely what is so off putting in Tebowmaniacs.

 

Tebow won games and lost games, pretty much as everybody else. The real question is, of course  at what rate.

 

Denver record stands at 7-4 in the regular season when Tebow started.

 

And  if you look more closely at that record, it was against a rather weak schedule ! 

 

NONE of Denver's wins came against a team with a winning record at the end of the season ! All seven wins against average or bad teams. Shouldn't that temper enthusiasm a little bit ? 

 

And the four losses ? Two against good teams Detroit (10-6) and NE (13-3) but also two against teams with losing records :  The bills (6-10) and the Chiefs (7-9). There were two perfectly beatable teams.

 

So much for the "all he does is win" theory.

 

On the whole, and especially for a first stint as a starter Tebow did good.  

 

But it WASN'T an outstanding performance,  either.

 

And one outstanding game  followed by a crappy one, in the playoffs didn't  change that by much.

 

When you factor the narrow margin of victories in most of the wins (including a pure gift by Chicago) and Tebow's clear deficiencies as a passer, you can only conclude one thing :

 

 Tebow is not the "OBVIOUS" NFL starter QB his devoted fans say he is.  

 

And THAT is objective a statement as can be.

 

Root all you like for him, heck,  if if he gets a starting QB I'll wish him well too. 

 

But his ability to be successful in the long term as a QB in the NFL is far from a foregone conclusion.

 

I don't "hate"  Tebow  I just can't stand the hype.

yeah_right
yeah_right

 @esgalan2  @pljaye You sir...have no objectivity at all.  You either just don't like Tebow, or you just listen to the bashing from others.  The job of the quarterback is to win.  As was clearly stated, with Tebow at quarterback, the Broncos were 7-4 in the regular season, a .636 winning percentage.  Prior to his starting they had been 1-4, a .200 winning percentage, and 7-24, a .226 winning percentage.  The team improved its winning percentage by over 318% or by 281% (whichever time period you want to go with) and the ONLY difference to the lineup was Tebow.  I know his overall stats never looked good.  But the team won, when he played and lost when he didn't.  What can't people see about that?

esgalan2
esgalan2

 @pljaye By now you probably know those stats by heart, so for FACTUAL balance  why don't you learn by rote the following Tebow facts and stats ?

 

They are EVERY BIT AS RELEVANT  to Tebow "greatness" as the ones you routinely quote.

 

- Broncos regular season record whith Tebow at QB : 7-4

(clearly the stuff of legend!)

 

- Tebow gloriously led its Broncos to a 45-10 CRUSHING defeat against the Patriots (who weren't even the best defense of the regular season  :) .)

 

- Tebow dazzling stats during this "game for the ages" :

 

- Passing : 9/26, for a stupendous 136 yds, No TD  No INT. Sacked 5 times for 28 yards lost. QB rating .... (drumroll)  52,7  (TA DAAA !! )

Rushing : 5 attempts  13 yards (not 130, 13)

 

Next time you rave about the ONE great game Tebow ever had (as yet)  and roll out the corresponding stats PLEASE  have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that he put on a stinker in an even more important game. ..

 

 My guess is that this game you don't wan't to remember  has  been a factor  in Denver's decision to not  keep Tebow.

 

But if you want to make a martyr out of Tebow "unjustly" cast aside by a conspiracy , please be my guest.

 

 

 

M as in Mancy
M as in Mancy

 @GarySchneider  @pljaye

 I don't know about Elway's integrity, but the fact is-both Jets and Jaguars were offering 4th and 6th round draft picks for Tebow and a 7th. The Jets finished 2011 8-8 while the Jags were 5-11, and thus a trade with the Jags would have given Denver slightly better draft position.

 

Just for self and team interest, I'm not sure what he would gain by getting less in return or blatantly LYING during free agency, which is not the way to entice build player relationships. That's why I tend to believe that Tebow's management team asked for the Jets and Elway acquiesced.

esgalan2
esgalan2

 @pelan30  @pljaye   I was just pulling pljaye's leg with that :) 

 

Obviously not a good situation to be in for Tebow. 

 

But I think the classy way in which he handled the situation will earn him a ticket out of NY. 

pelan30
pelan30

 @esgalan2  @pljaye Not inspirational at all - he is too nice for his own good.  When they started talking about punt protector etc etc, he should have dug in his heels and said no way and just sat out if he had to.

But no, he goes along to "support the team" and just ends up with nothing( oh, there is the cpl million $  or so but I believe he would rather be playing.)

esgalan2
esgalan2

 @kenipe  @pljaye 

 

 The Jets sure failed too make good use of him.  You need to put in place a very specific type of offensive scheme to accomodate for his semi consistent throwing. The Jets  said they prepared some packages for Tebow, but they used them very little and inconsistently.

Didn't they have the right personel ? Or where they afraid that if they gave tebow a significant portion of playing time it would fuel the QB controversy  and put  too much pressure on Sanchez ? If so It was bad calculation because Sanchez crumbled anyway....

 

I don't know what happened during all this year in NY. Did they seriously try to work "in depth" with Tebow to really try and improve his accuracy ? If not , its a shame, because if he could gain a reasonable level consistency on his passing, that would make a WORLD of difference.  He could kill teams all day long  on play action. Look at what  RG3 does in washington Tebow could be something like that.

kenipe
kenipe

 @esgalan2  @pljaye  I think you make sense.  You are NOT a hater or moron.  I'm not saying that Tebow is the messiah of Denver, but to take a 1-4 team and lead them to a first round victory (with an injured Steelers QB-true-) is note-worthy.  Is he better than Manning...of course not.  But to default to a third stringer shows no respect to his record.  You gotta give us that.    And with the Pats game, my take is that Denver's offensive coordinator did not open the game to the pass.  And a wobbly his throws are, they were connecting against the Steelers the game earlier.  You can't beat Brady's team with strictly a running game.  And, yes, Denver'sdefense folded like Walmart summer chairs.  Peace.

esgalan2
esgalan2

 @pljaye Not spewing vitriol, (that is your speciality, I believe)

 

I am merely setting, the record straight.

 

The gist of your argument about Tebow "obvious" greatness is that  the record speaks for itself .

Well if we are supposed to look at the record, let at least look at the whole record ! especiially when it is not long.

Yet you never mention the last game, the most important one, a with a ticket to the conference final at stake !

Isn't that a little bit dishonest ? You just can't ignore it just because it doesn't fit the picture you want to paint !

 

So let have a dispassionate look  :

 

Tebow  played adequately during 11 eleven games of the regular season.  (7-4 is adequate, not top notch in my book or anyone's). 

He had a great playoff game.... AND a bad playoff game.

And everyone is supposed  to fall on their knee celebrating the Second Coming of Joe ? (Montana). 

Seriously ?.

As for the particular of the loss against the Pats,  I am sorry  but,  yes it was a bit of a disgrace : not the defeat : the margin and the manner of it were ! It showed how limited, and ultimately impotent the Broncos were and especially Tebow as a passer . Denver scored a measly 10 ! not 30 or 20 : 10. And any self respecting QB should be able to make at least 45-50% of his throws. 1 for every three  is just plain BAD. And pass defense is the known (relative) weakness of the Patriots...

Yeah the Pats are a tough team to beat in the playoffs but many came close and some did. A  defeat by 35 points margin ?  Are we supposed to ignore that entirely ? As in "never happened" ?

Again seriously ?

As for those broken ribs : that's the problem with running QBS : sooner or later (and more often sooner) they DO get hurt !! And when they get hurt it's pretty much game over because to run you have to be 100 % to be really effeicient.

You can hope to play more or less injured as a pocket passer and still be effective :  Tony Romo played games last year with broken ribs and managed to play well and win. Rothlisberger with a broken foot did too ! 

Take away Tebow ability to run and you are left with... pretty much not a whole lot !

Don't you think these considerations and the last game of the season  didn't come into play when Denver evaluated Tebow ?

 

I have no problems with people believing that Tebow may be success at starting QB.  I wouldn't bet against it myself  even though I think its a very long shot.

But I do find it annoying when people who claim, as you do, that it's "OBVIOUS". Its obviously NOT.

And  the habit of calling  anyone who beg to differ   "haters" or "morons is downright obnoxious !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pljaye
pljaye

Oh my, the haters are still awake--do you think Manning, Brady, Favre, Elway, Brees, Marino etc, etc have never lost a playoff game? Moreover, Tebow was playing with BROKEN RIBS during that game and Denver's defense couldn't stop the Pats. And since when is it a disgrace to lose a playoff game AT New England? I'm failry confident that not too many second-year qbs have even managed to make it to Foxborough for a playoff contest, but keep spewing the vitriol.

esgalan2
esgalan2

 @kenipe  @mcleah91 and ho, can you give us the final score too,  and can't remember how close it was ........