Posted November 25, 2012

Jared Allen clobbers Lance Louis; fine or suspension to follow?

Chicago Bears, Minnesota Vikings

Jared Allen might be hearing from the league this week, after he delivered a vicious block on Chicago lineman Lance Louis during an interception return.

After teammate Antoine Winfield picked off Jay Cutler, Allen headed upfield to block — and leveled Louis with this shot (courtesy The Big Lead):

Allen was not flagged on the play, though Louis left the game immediately after with a knee injury.

When asked about it afterward, Allen said, “I never, ever try to intentionally hurt anybody. Just trying to make a block and spring our guys down the sidelines. That’s unfortunate.”

Allen has been in trouble with the league — he was fined $7,500 earlier this season for a scuffle with Tampa Bay’s Donald Penn.

This hit, however, could be a tough one for the NFL.

Was it helmet-to-helmet? Allen definitely launched himself into Louis, but the hit came from in front of the Bears’ lineman, who was chasing down the play.

Will Allen’s past transgressions play into a decision? He was suspended in 2007 for violating the league’s substance-abuse policy, fined $50,000 in 2008 for a low hit on Matt Schaub and $25,000 earlier that season for a hit on Aaron Rodgers. However, Baltimore’s Ed Reed had a suspension overturned this week after he was initially hit with a one-game punishment for repeated illegal hits dating back three seasons.

The Vikings, now 6-5 on the season, travel to Green Bay next week.

34 comments
AndreRomeo
AndreRomeo

really? $21,000? how about you start to fine OL who do all these cut blocks or block a guy from the side? I see it every game. That play happened in a few seconds, it wasnt planned, it was split second reaction, Louis is a huge man, Allens instincf was to take him out, I see no problem with it, DL players get injured all the time from OL/TE blocks, mayb everytime that happens a player should get fined.

KevinMorris
KevinMorris

good  hit  jared..too bad  it  wasent  cutler

MichaelI40
MichaelI40

During the game the retired ref who now works with Fox even defined this hit as illegal. You can't leave your feet or lead with your shoulder or helmet when blocking in this particular situation. Check, check and check. He did them all. He should be fined, and possibly suspended for a game.

AdamPond
AdamPond

Golden Tate got fined for a hit on Sean Lee that was even more textbook than this one, so I'd say that Allen should expect a fine.

 

Brad C
Brad C

He should be suspended and out for the same number of games as Louis, it was a blatant attempt to hurt him

TheMantage
TheMantage

Sorry Jared, but this is one of those times when actions speak a lot louder than words.

Sam3
Sam3

I guess I just need to re-emphasize this point, because it is, in fact the most important point to be made:  look at every player in that gif.  Do you see the ball?  That is because the ball had already been thrown BEFORE all of this took place.  And, again, it also needs to be re-emphasized that Lance Louis is an offensive lineman.  He is doing his job on the play, which is keeping #90 of the defense out of the backfield.  He's not supposed to have to worry about being blindsided by a defensive lineman, especially when the ball is no longer in that area.

SkyeADG
SkyeADG

This was a clean, almost textbook block.  It's only as rough as it is because the other player was looking away from him and got caught out.  As M as in Mancy said, no field awareness.  Allen did his job, and he did it by the book.

M as in Mancy
M as in Mancy

Defenseless? Only WRs with their eyes on the ball and QBs with their legs planted immediately before/after release. A guy's gotta have field awareness.  And the fact that Winfield returning the INT is less than 10 yds away from the block means that it was a relevant football action. 

 

I hear women's volleyball season is in swing for you guys...

Sam3
Sam3

Just because it wasn't helmet-to-helmet doesn't make it legal.  Louis was a defenseless player heading upfield, Allen had downfield momentum, and lead with his shoulder when he hit him.  There's really no part of that that can't be interpreted as "intent to injure", therefore, it's an illegal hit.

Geno
Geno

What is the rule about leaving your feet and launching yourself?

stujoe1966
stujoe1966

It probably should because he obviously led with his head to the other guy's head. But, it is an O-lineman and not a QB or WR so the league won;t really care. 

Zinran4
Zinran4

 @Brad C how the f** do you come to that conclusion from watching that video?

 

Kyle1
Kyle1

 @SkyeADG Yes, definitely a clean hit.  It's the O-lineman's fault for not playing the game with his head on a swivel.  Go Vikes!

BathazarXavier
BathazarXavier

 @SkyeADG what textbook did you read? granted, louis should have been looking out but nobody expects to have a blocker launch themselves at your head. had allen kept his feet and delivered the same blow at the numbers instead of the neck (which is how real players are taught to block and tackle), he wouldn't be getting out his checkbook.

hawkiman
hawkiman

 @M as in Mancy WRs and QBs are not the only defenseless players anymore.  The Hines Ward rule.  The fact that he left his feet so that his shoulder could hit the head is just a cheap shot.  

luvfoozball
luvfoozball

 @M as in Mancy Yeah and prison ball is in swing for you. I bet you would enjoy a prison shank in your ribs after they are done bending you over in showers. Apparently you like that kind of "games".

M as in Mancy
M as in Mancy

 @Sam3

 A) Not sure what "downfield  momentum" means in this context since both guys were running east-west on the field.

B) You're right. Shoulder pads are worn to look cool. NOT for blocking and tackling.

C) If this is Lance Louis' dad on the boards, tell him to quit mouthbreathing and zoning out when a dude with the ball is running towards him.

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

 @Sam3 Led with shoulder?  No kidding.  That is text book.     Oh, and if the guy was paying attention, as players are taught in football from day 1, he would not be defenseless.  

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

 @stujoe1966 No it is not obvious that he led with his head.   If he had the first contact would not have been made with his shoulder.

M as in Mancy
M as in Mancy

 @luvfoozball  @M as in Mancy

 You must have me confused with Ft Leavenworth immate Michael Vick. No I'm not in jail, yes I have thrown up in a Philadelphia strip club.

 

This brings up Arnold Schwartzeneggar's greatest quote from Kindergarten Cop, "STOP WHINING." and do some pushups too

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

 @luvfoozball  Keep bleating to take all of the physical play out of football and you will get your way.   Then you will be able to complain that it is boring because there is no hitting.   That way you will be able to whine in a nonstop cycle.

Sam3
Sam3

Because you are a bit of an idiot it seems, I'm going to address this point-by-point:

 

A)  Jared Allen started off at the 51 yard line and hit Louis at the 49.  Louis had started at the 50 and was pulling his protection to the 49.  Very definitions of downfield and upfield momentum.

B)  Shoulder pads are meant for protection, not for putting hits on people, like most Madden video game players seem to think.

 

C)  Because you already lost this argument, here's me repeating the context I just posted above:  Lance Louis is an offensive lineman.  His job is to protect the quarterback, who was behind him, from players getting to him.  The left side of the line obviously failed to do this, which is evident when you see #70 chasing a guy heading for the quarterback (who, as I mentioned above, had already thrown the ball a good 2 or 3 seconds before this all took place).  On the flipside of all of this, Jared Allen's only job is to get to the quarterback, which he didn't not do, because he was held up by the Fullback on the play, Evan Rodriguez, hence why you have Jared Allen standing there.  Lance Louis is paying attention to the guy he needs to be paying attention to, which would be #90 on the defense.  Now, if you want to get down to the illegal part of this, take your pick (two options):

1)  Jared Allen hit a guy he didn't need to hit by launching himself at him, which shows intent to at least hurt, if not injure.

2)  As you can see when you look at every offensive player in that picture, no one has the ball at any point during that three second window.  So, for all intents and purposes, the play is dead on that part of the field.  Even if you wanted to make the case that the play was still active, it was active on another part of the field, which Jared Allen showed no intention of getting to by virtue of him putting a hit on a guy that wasn't paying attention TO HIM (because it wasn't his assignment, nor was Louis the guy Allen was supposed to be getting by).

 

If you're going to try and be smart, try doing it on more than three seconds of a gif as your basis.

luvfoozball
luvfoozball

 @JoeCabot  Yeah, launching yourself from the ground to make a tackle is so "textbook". Did Vince Lombardi teach tackling this way?

Kyle1
Kyle1

 @Sam3 M as in Mancy > Sam3

 

Sam3, take your bro off and man up!

M as in Mancy
M as in Mancy

 @Sam3

 I must be an idiot. Thanks for clarifying the difference between 1 and 2 yards of "momentum" for the respective players. Louis was actually in motion while Allen was stationary. Shoulder pads are for protection from the impact of BLOCKING and tackling. 

 

Ummm...this is an INTERCEPTION return. The offensive and defensive roles are REVERSED. Louis is no longer an O-lineman protecting anyone. Similar to a punt return. He's a defensive player trying to bring down the ballcarrier-who btw is moving towards him and "that part of the field" and was within 10 yds of play and closing. Football revelant. Want to know how I knew this?

 

It must hurt to have an idiot tell you this, but there's this cool new thing called NFL network. It shows game recaps. Here's the link: http://nfl.cpl.delvenetworks.com/player/popup/si.html?mediaId=503a03ebec8c4fc1aeb8fef640627cb2 look at around 2:46

 

Thank you for being a part of my education

 

Leland
Leland

 @Sam3  @JoeCabot  @luvfoozball

 In the short video clip, the ball carrier was just entering the picture when the clip stops.  Sam3, you are also slightly incorrect of your assessment of offensive lineman when a couple of years ago there was an offensive lineman who took a shot at Jarred Allen's knee which put Allen out for a couple games.  That was no "just pushing back"!  Also, if you watch the NFL games closely, most lineman are usually holding (not just pushing back) where only a few get caught (called).

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

 @Sam3 Uh, the guard was no longer on offense.   The ball had been intercepted and he now was a defensive player.   Jared Allen was blocking him.

Sam3
Sam3

 @JoeCabot  @luvfoozball There's nothing to read into.  I watched the game.  And as far as him needing to pay attention:  he was.  To the guy he was supposed to be blocking.  Because he's a RIGHT GUARD. When a defensive lineman is trying to get to the quarterback, you never see them try to put a hit on the lineman, because all they're allowed to do is push you back.  You try to push them back, you get around them, and that's it.

 

Also, want more context?  Look at Jay Cutler, Kellen Davis, and Evan Rodriguez:  the three Bears offensive players that weren't linemen in that picture.  Do you see any of them with the ball?  That's because Cutler had already released the ball.  There's a reason you see the Vikings player headed towards Jay Cutler just barely putting a hand on his shoulder:  because there was no reason to hit anyone on that part of the field anymore.

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

 @luvfoozball Comprehension man.  Comprehension.  I did not condone leaving his feet to make the hit.  If he gets fined, and he likely will, it will be for launching.   My response was to the previous poster who decided that the hit was illegal because he led with his shoulder, which is absolutely absurd.  Don't read stuff into posts that is not there.