Posted September 16, 2012

Giants not happy with Greg Schiano, Buccaneers after late hit on Eli Manning

New York Giants, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Eli Manning walked away from the game unscathed — and with a late win. (Jeff Zelevansky/Getty Images)

It would have been understandable for the Buccaneers to be frustrated at the end of their 41-34 loss in New York on Sunday. But Tom Coughlin and the Giants believe that the Bucs took things too far.

On the final play of the game, after New York had stopped Tampa Bay’s last-gasp effort to tie or win, Eli Manning lined up to take a knee out of the “victory formation.” But as Manning took the snap, he was knocked to the ground as several Buccaneers linemen appeared to dive forward toward the ball. There was a brief scuffle on the ground between the two teams’ lines as the clock ran out.

In his postgame press conference, Coughlin accused the Bucs of trying to injure the Giants’ players, including Manning, on that final play.

“I don’t think you do that,” said Coughlin, who appeared to have words for Schiano when the two shook hands after the game. “I don’t think you jeopardize the offensive line, I don’t think you jeopardize the quarterback. Thank God nobody got hurt.”

Several Giants players expressed their displeasure with the incident, as well.

Schiano, however, coaching just his second NFL game, said that his players were merely trying to knock the ball loose at the snap:

Bucs DT Gerald McCoy offered up this comment:

So, is this a case of the Bucs’ violating one of football’s unwritten rules — that you don’t go hard in a kneel-down situation? Or was it a dirty play? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.

20 comments
Dennis4
Dennis4

It seemed childish.  I thought Schiano had more class.  Other teams in the league will be ready for him next time. 

DustinGoldsen1
DustinGoldsen1

One great weakness of football is the way a team can run the clock out all the way from the 2 minute warning if the other team is out of time outs. You can't do that in all sports. If there's time on the clock, the rules should be structured so that you have to keep playing.

 

Some sports are like that. As Yogi says, in baseball "it ain't over 'till its over".

vince2
vince2

There have been stories in the past where, when the defense came to the line in this situation, they just told the offense the play was full speed.  Nothing wrong will playing all out until time runs out, but taking advantage of what's become an established custom is bush.  Love Schiano quote - just look at how we did things at Rutgers.  Talk about the definition of bush league!!!

JoeHaller
JoeHaller

At first I thought it was bush league. But think about it. The Bucs were within one score. Why give up? If they cause a fumble and run it in like Herman Edwards did, they force overtime. If they were two scores down, then it's definitely bush league.

DavidHatchett
DavidHatchett

So how about Eli steps back and takes the snap and has a tight end leak out on the last play for a td because they are all trying to submarine the offense.  Do you think Tampas coach would be happy.  No way he would be crying foul.  Bush league no matter what he says.

E1
E1

how do they block defenders diving into your knees as a offensive linemen? when your in victory formation....this is the first time ive honestly seen this.. thought there always was unwritten rule...haven't seen any other coaches do it.. 

DawnLeonardMicena
DawnLeonardMicena

OMG the Giants & Coughlin needs to get over themselves!  The game was not over yet!  I knew when the Bucs lined up they were playing "for real" - how come the Giants didn't?

RichardShumway
RichardShumway

Desperation and anger usually foster bad judgement. However, whats interesting is that Schiano and some other young, eager head coaches seem to be trying to break down the old school ways. Bad news for them is if it gets people hurt or has the potential, they will feel the rath of the rest of the coaches and the NFL. Schiano needs to man-up and apologize to the NYG's.

PhilStudge
PhilStudge

Giants fan here.  If Eli got hurt, I'd write off the frigging season.  But how can you fault the Bucs for playing football for four quarters?  Here's a thought: block like football players, and the mean defensive linemen won't knock your QB to the ground.

DJL329
DJL329

You can bet Schiano would be miffed if someone did it to his team and his QB got injured.

ctpreston
ctpreston

 @DustinGoldsen1 Exactly. Can you imagine in baseball if a pitcher said to a batter "Hey I'm gonna throw a slow strike down the middle, don't swing so we can just get this game over with." Nope it wouldn't happen. They get paid to play for the entire game. Teams that take a knee with 2 mins to go should take notice. Play hard till the final whistle.

PhilStudge
PhilStudge

 @E1 I didn't see anybody "diving into knees," but if they were, that's a different argument.  The question is whether the Bucs are supposed to give up just because the Giants are ready to call it a day.  

 

"Unwritten rules" are not worth the paper they are printed on.

 

 

E1
E1

 @DawnLeonardMicena  you'll understand when you guys get a elite qb... i can see jet fans wanting mark to get hurt so they can see some tebow.. LOL... have the jets never lined up in victory formation before?  i suppose they have and they probably never had someone dive at their legs when the game is pretty much over...victory formation means we won...FOO! thats why they didnt come out aggressive on that play cause it was over..

E1
E1

 @PhilStudge  do you read the tweets they posted above?

E1
E1

giants offensive linemen said they were diving at the knees.....

ctpreston
ctpreston

 @E1  Hello McFly the game was within one score. Did this happen when time had expired? Nope it was during the 60 minutes that these men get paid to play. They need to man up and play for the entire 60 minutes. Eli could've fumbled the snap and the Bucs could've ran it in for a touchdown. So because the Giants didn't want the Bucs to play then it was dirty? An elite QB should expect a team to continue to play till the end. 

 

Have you looked at the replay? I have and didn't notice anything dirty. I saw a team going for the ball and playing hard till the very end. They make a TON of money to play and need to play the entire game.

 

And before you say anything I played D1 college football and my last college play was me getting taken out by a below the knee tackle. Tore my knee up pretty bad. So if anything I HATE dirty plays. Also I'm not a Bucs fan so I'm not blinded by my fandom.

PhilStudge
PhilStudge

 @E1 Didn't know that but again: that's a different issue.